Author: Dave Gomboc
Date: 14:04:29 01/18/00
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On January 18, 2000 at 16:39:06, Amir Ban wrote: >On January 18, 2000 at 14:49:58, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On January 17, 2000 at 14:54:18, Amir Ban wrote: >> >>>On January 16, 2000 at 21:34:44, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On January 16, 2000 at 14:28:09, blass uri wrote: >>>> >>>>>The only way to convince me that deep thought i better than the commercial of >>>>>today is to do public games of deep thought against the commercial of today. >>>>> >>>>>I am not convinced by the performance of deep thought against humans because >>>>>I believe that humans know today better how to play against computers. >>>>> >>>>>I am also not sure if 2550 of 10 years ago is the same as 2550 of today when >>>>>many IM's and GM's learn from computers. >>>>> >>>>>Uri >>>> >>>>It was 2650, not 2550, over 24 consecutive games. I don't think it dates back >>>>to 10 years, but don't have my ICCA journals handy to see when they were awarded >>>>Fredkin II. I think about 5 years ago roughly... >>> >>>2551 USCF >>> >>>(http://aaai.org/Magazine/Issues/Vol10/10-02/Berliner.pdf) >>> >>>Amir >> >> >>That had nothing to do with Fredkin. Fredkin stage II required "at least 2550 >>over 24 consecutive games". Not 2550 USCF or FIDE. DT had a 2650 rating over >>it's "best 24 consecutive games vs GM players". >> > >The link is the reference. It's Berliner's report on the Fredkin stage II prize. >As I've already said here once, there's no way to make you see something you >don't want to. > >It's deja vu anyway. This conversation took place two months ago, only then you >were lobbying for a 2600 DT rating. > > >>2551 was for deep thought from Day 1. Cray Blitz's USCF rating is only 2258, >>because it played in only two human events (the 1981 Mississippi closed >>championship tournament which it won with a perfect score). I doubt anyone >>would think it was 2258 in 1986 on the XMP, or in 1989 on the C90. But >>original ratings included _all_ games including the ones where a program did >>badly. Which included Cray Blitz losing two games due to a horrible parallel >>search bug in late 1984 in the only other event it played in. There were lots >>of versions of deep thought, some with horrible bugs. Some without. Using a >>rating that spans all of those is not very accurate, although it is remarkable >>to me that they sustained 2551 with some of the glitches they had... > >Another pompous irrelevancy. > >Amir According to the article referenced, the stage II prize was awarded after DT's rating climbed to 2551 USCF, and that the prize requirement was 2500 over a 24-game period. On the other hand, it says neither that the machine's maximum rating nor its best 24-game rating were 2551 USCF. Dave
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