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Subject: Re: No one has answered my question with hard facts

Author: Tina Long

Date: 23:19:14 01/18/00

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On January 18, 2000 at 18:11:51, Michael Cummings wrote:

>On January 18, 2000 at 16:09:09, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>On January 18, 2000 at 14:15:14, Rajen Gupta wrote:
>>
>>>I asked about rebel geting weaker, progressively-and every body said ''that's
>>>unlikely, or not true'' or words to that effect but no-one has actually shown
>>>games or tournaments where subsequent versions of rebel are doing progressively
>>>better-also there is no evidence that strength against other computers, means
>>>weakness against humans-first of all there are very few games played by
>>>successive versions of rebels against humans as eveidence of this dubious theory
>>>and secondly fritz 5/6 has the best results against both humans and against
>>>computers!!
>>
>>Your questions answer is too obvious. Of course it doesn't get weaker.
>>it remains playing the same moves in the same positions. of course it
>>doesn't SUDDENLY play a weaker move now.
>>
>>>I think this theory is like saying that a not so pretty girl gas a very good
>>>personality!!
>>>
>>>rajen gupta
>
>I read somewhere that one of the Rebels, 7 I think was actually worse than 6. I
>think that was a clear case of a program playing worse.
>
>That is from what I heard.
Hi Michael,
Pasted from the latest SSDF: 8 beats 9 by a point, 6 beats 7 by 5 points.

My interpretation is "there was very little improvement in COMPUTER vs COMPUTER
(sorry to shout) strength from Rebel6 to Rebel 9."

Perhaps this is because the Author was concentrating on improving his COMPUTER
vs HUMAN results, and preparing to pit his program against Grandmasters.

All this conjecture would be clearer if both Rebel 10b and Rebel 10c had both
appeared on SSDF (although I understand and accept why they're not on SSDF).

Perhaps the results of these Rebel's are inaccurate due to Autoplayer problems
(Ed?, Bertil?)

29 Rebel 8.0 Pentium 90 MHz                2438   18   -18  1435   55%  2403
  30 Rebel 9.0 Pentium 90 MHz                2437   23   -23   890   47%  2458
  31 Hiarcs 6.0 Pentium 90 MHz               2434   18   -18  1437   51%  2430
  32 Genius 5.0 DOS Pentium 90 MHz           2431   18   -18  1558   47%  2450
  33 Hiarcs 5.0 Pentium 90 MHz               2427   38   -36   363   59%  2362
  34 MChess Pro 6.0 Pentium 90 MHz           2412   17   -17  1726   45%  2445
  35 Genius 3.0 Pentium 90 MHz               2408   26   -25   785   61%  2328
  36 Rebel 6.0 Pentium 90 MHz                2407   31   -30   540   60%  2335
  36 MChess Pro 5.0 Pentium 90 MHz           2407   26   -25   769   63%  2315
  38 Genius 4.0 DOS Pentium 90 MHz           2404   23   -23   944   60%  2335
  39 Rebel 7.0 Pentium 90 MHz                2402   26   -25   759   61%  2319

Tina Long



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