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Subject: Re: No one has answered my question with hard facts

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 23:56:27 01/18/00

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On January 19, 2000 at 02:06:27, Tina Long wrote:
>On January 19, 2000 at 00:53:11, Jouni Uski wrote:
>
>>On January 18, 2000 at 14:30:41, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>
>>>On January 18, 2000 at 14:15:14, Rajen Gupta wrote:
>>>
>>>>I asked about rebel geting weaker, progressively-and every body said ''that's
>>>>unlikely, or not true'' or words to that effect but no-one has actually shown
>>>>games or tournaments where subsequent versions of rebel are doing progressively
>>>>better-also there is no evidence that strength against other computers, means
>>>>weakness against humans-first of all there are very few games played by
>>>>successive versions of rebels against humans as eveidence of this dubious theory
>>>>and secondly fritz 5/6 has the best results against both humans and against
>>>>computers!!
>>>
>>>What sort of hard facts will you find convincing?  Rebel is having excellent
>>>results against human players.  That is Ed's stated goal, and he is clearly
>>>achieving it.
>>
>>I am not so sure. Note, that Fritz has got 2800+ rating against humans. This
>>really is more than Rebel!
>>
>>Jouni
>
>I don't believe this rating of Fritz is at 40/120.  Can you please be more
>specific please.

It's probably some sort of FICS or ICC measure at fast time controls.  There are
only two programs that could even begin to qualify at 40/2 which are Rebel and
Junior.  Nobody else has the brass to try the big boys at time controls in their
favor.

Any other program will have games under tournament conditions and at tournament
time controls that you can count on one hand at best.



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