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Subject: Re: Position from game 1 of first DB-Kasparov match

Author: blass uri

Date: 00:27:46 01/19/00

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On January 19, 2000 at 00:35:44, Dave Gomboc wrote:

>On January 18, 2000 at 11:26:43, Dave Gomboc wrote:
>
>>which still seems weird to me :) but in any case Black seems to be picking up a
>>pawn no matter what White does, so Nb2 may not be horrible.  Hey, it just
>>occured to me that I had logging on.  Here's the first search (for 27. ...c5).
>>Scores are always from White's perspective in the log, I think.
>
>That was wrong.  The scores are from the perspective of the player to move.
>
>>So, 27...c5 may still be the move you're looking for, Amir.  I guess it's time
>>to check out move 32.
>
>Here's a search on move 32.
>
>[D]3B1bk1/1r5p/r2pb1p1/2p1np2/N7/1PP5/P1B2RPP/1R4K1 w - - 0 32
>
>middle-game phase
>              clearing hash tables
>              time surplus   0.09  time limit 0.09 (0.54)
>         nss  depth   time  score   variation (1)
>                7     1.18   0.07   32. Re1 c4 33. Rb1 Ra8 34. Bg5 Nd3
>                                    35. Bxd3 cxd3
>                7     3.51   0.15   32. Re2 Bc4 33. Ree1 Bd3 34. Rbc1 Bg7
>                                    35. c4
>         (2)    7->   3.95   0.15   32. Re2 Bc4 33. Ree1 Bd3 34. Rbc1 Bg7
>                                    35. c4
>                8     5.89  -0.01   32. Re2 Bd7 33. Rbe1 Bxa4 34. bxa4
>                                    Be7 35. Bxe7 Rxe7 36. Bb3+ Kg7 37.
>                                    Kf2
>                8    11.20   0.03   32. Bg5 Bg7 33. Re2 Bc4 34. Re3 h6
>                                    35. Bf4 Ng4
>         (3)    8->  13.37   0.03   32. Bg5 Bg7 33. Re2 Bc4 34. Re3 h6
>                                    35. Bf4 Ng4
>         (2)    9    18.81  -0.01   32. Bg5 Bd7 33. Re1 Bg7 34. Rfe2 Bxa4
>                                    35. bxa4 h6 36. Bf4 Rb2 <HT>
>                9->  27.92  -0.01   32. Bg5 Bd7 33. Re1 Bg7 34. Rfe2 Bxa4
>                                    35. bxa4 h6 36. Bf4 Rb2 <HT>
>               10    45.61   0.01   32. Bg5 Bg7 33. Re2 h6 34. Bf4 c4 35.
>                                    Ree1 Re7 36. bxc4 Bxc4 37. Rb8+ Bf8
>               10->   1:01   0.01   32. Bg5 Bg7 33. Re2 h6 34. Bf4 c4 35.
>                                    Ree1 Re7 36. bxc4 Bxc4 37. Rb8+ Bf8
>               11     1:48  -0.07   32. Bg5 Bd7 33. Rff1 Ra8 34. Bf4 Re8
>                                    35. b4 h6 36. Bb3+ Kh8 37. Bd5 Rbb8
>               11->   2:41  -0.07   32. Bg5 Bd7 33. Rff1 Ra8 34. Bf4 Re8
>                                    35. b4 h6 36. Bb3+ Kh8 37. Bd5 Rbb8
>               12     3:14  -0.06   32. Bg5 Bd7 33. Rff1 Ra8 34. Bf4 Re8
>                                    35. Rfe1 Bg7 36. b4 cxb4 37. cxb4 Rb5
>                                    38. Nc3
>               12->   4:32  -0.06   32. Bg5 Bd7 33. Rff1 Ra8 34. Bf4 Re8
>                                    35. Rfe1 Bg7 36. b4 cxb4 37. cxb4 Rb5
>                                    38. Nc3
>               13     6:06  -0.06   32. Bg5 Bd7 33. Rff1 Ra8 34. Bf4 Bg7
>                                    35. Rfe1 Bb5 36. Rbd1 Re8 37. b4 cxb4
>                                    38. Rxd6
>               13->   8:25  -0.06   32. Bg5 Bd7 33. Rff1 Ra8 34. Bf4 Bg7
>                                    35. Rfe1 Bb5 36. Rbd1 Re8 37. b4 cxb4
>                                    38. Rxd6
>               14    15:50  -0.17   32. Bg5 Bd7 33. Re1 c4 34. Bf4 Ra5
>                                    35. Rfe2 Nd3 36. Rf1 Bg7 37. Bxd6 Rd5
>                                    38. Be7 Bxa4 39. bxa4 Bxc3
>         (2)   14->  34:08  -0.17   32. Bg5 Bd7 33. Re1 c4 34. Bf4 Ra5
>                                    35. Rfe2 Nd3 36. Rf1 Bg7 37. Bxd6 Rd5
>                                    38. Be7 Bxa4 39. bxa4 Bxc3
>               15    55:25  -0.23   32. Bg5 Bd7 33. Rff1 c4 34. Rfd1 Bg7
>                                    35. Bf4 h6 36. Be3 Nf7 37. Bd2 Rc7
>                                    38. Re1 cxb3 39. axb3 Bxa4 40. bxa4
>                                    Bxc3
>               15->  85:56  -0.23   32. Bg5 Bd7 33. Rff1 c4 34. Rfd1 Bg7
>                                    35. Bf4 h6 36. Be3 Nf7 37. Bd2 Rc7
>                                    38. Re1 cxb3 39. axb3 Bxa4 40. bxa4
>                                    Bxc3
>               16   230:39  -0.32   32. Bg5 c4 33. Bd2 Bd7 34. Rff1 Bc6
>                                    35. Bg5 Bd7 36. Rfd1 Bg7 37. Bf4 h6
>                                    38. Rd4 Bb5 <HT>
>               16-> 348:36  -0.32   32. Bg5 c4 33. Bd2 Bd7 34. Rff1 Bc6
>                                    35. Bg5 Bd7 36. Rfd1 Bg7 37. Bf4 h6
>                                    38. Rd4 Bb5 <HT>
>               17   568:54  -0.34   32. Bg5 c4 33. Bf4 Bd7 34. Rff1 Bg7
>                                    35. Rfd1 Bb5 36. Bg5 Nf7 37. Bd2 Rc7
>                                    38. Re1 Ra5 39. Re6 cxb3 40. axb3 Bxa4
>                                    41. bxa4 Bxc3
>
>So far, the scores are backing up Amir's assertion that 32. Re1 was a mistake.
>Still, I'm a bit puzzled... here's the position after the last PV:
>
>[D]6k1/2r2n1p/3pR1p1/r4p2/P7/2b5/2BB2PP/1R4K1 w - - 0 42
>
>Does that really look like it's only -0.3ish for White?
>
>I think I'll let this position crunch overnight.  It would be nice if Ferret (or
>something else that does some bigtime extending) took a swing at this position,
>but I think Bruce is probably still busy doing some Nolot testing.
>
>Dave

I think a better idea is to give the computer to play against itself at 10
hours/move because we cannot be sure that the last moves of a long pv are the
right moves.

I understands that it can take a long time and we can save part of the time by
checking if a move is forced before analyzing at 10 hours/move by checking if
there are singular moves when the difference between the best and the second
move after some minutes is more than a pawn.

Uri





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