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Subject: Re: Not that amazing :)

Author: Albert Silver

Date: 05:53:46 01/20/00

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On January 20, 2000 at 05:02:10, Lonnie Cook wrote:

>On January 20, 2000 at 02:39:51, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>
>>On January 19, 2000 at 20:12:57, Peter Kappler wrote:
>>
>>>On January 19, 2000 at 18:20:20, Mark Young wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 19, 2000 at 17:51:03, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On January 19, 2000 at 15:29:06, Lonnie Cook wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On January 19, 2000 at 13:14:39, José Antônio Fabiano Mendes wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On January 19, 2000 at 12:39:22, Randy Schmidt wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>This is not so amazing....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>There are many positions where a KNN vs. a kp are winning.
>>>>>>>>The idea is that when the weaker side has to move the pawn,
>>>>>>>>one can make progress with the knights.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I recall FIDE even extending the 50-move rule to allow
>>>>>>>>for this situation even giving a graph of where the pawn had
>>>>>>>>to be behind...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>So you see, this is not that amazing :)
>>>>>>>The Russian study composer Trotsky is the name here,
>>>>>>>he established those graphs way back in the 30´s,IIRC.   JAFM
>>>>>>
>>>>>>First X I seen it personally and I've been on ICC for about 3 years now. person
>>>>>>who I talked to said it was first time he had seen this at such a high level,
>>>>>>another person emailed me and said Ferret did it one time and announce mate in
>>>>>>103 with tables but I had no tables with shredder
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I have seen it at least a dozen times in Crafty's games, and at least once
>>>>>(mate in 104) in one of Ferret's games vs another computer...  It happened
>>>>>vs a GM at least once (Junior on ICC).
>>>>
>>>>I know Ferret won this endgame against Rebel 9 when I was testing it on ICC. It
>>>>was pretty cool!
>>>
>>>I was watching that game as it happened on ICC.  It's one of my all time
>>>favorite computer chess moments.  :-)
>>>
>>>Do you recall Ferret's exact mate announcement?  I know it was over 100, but I
>>>thought it might have been as high as 120.
>>>
>>>--Peter
>>
>>More than 100 but under 110, I can't remember the exact number.  I was worried
>>that it would be a 50-move draw, but Mark and/or his software made a mistake so
>>the game was over very soon.
>>
>>If anyone can remember anything about the game, like which accounts were
>>involved or when it was played, I might be able to find it.
>
>OR IF Mark remembers generally when he beta-tested Rebel8, u could have an ICC
>adm download the whole slew of games (they have no limitations) in that spectrum
>and then run a position search with CB

Or faster yet, with CA.

                     A.S.

>>
>>bruce
>>
>>
>>bruce



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