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Subject: Re: next deep blue

Author: walter irvin

Date: 16:31:06 01/22/00

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On January 21, 2000 at 17:28:08, Amir Ban wrote:

>On January 21, 2000 at 10:50:16, Albert Silver wrote:
>
>>On January 21, 2000 at 09:51:26, Tom Kerrigan wrote:
>>
>>>On January 21, 2000 at 09:33:22, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>I don't think there is any doubt.  But it will likely be at _least_ another
>>>>10 years and probably longer.
>>>
>>>You said earlier that the DB team discovered glaring holes in the evaluation
>>>functions of PC programs. Glaring enough that a seriously retarded version of DB
>>>could still whomp on them.
>>>
>>>So my question is, why doesn't FHH make a PC program with this ueber-function?
>>>It wouldn't be much work for him, and the cost is zero. Okay, it would run
>>>significantly slower in software than it does in hardware, but if the function
>>>is THAT much better, it would still be a win. He could throw in null move and
>>>probably achieve partiy.
>>>
>>>I think this is a real no-brainer, and the only reason he hasn't done it already
>>>is possibly because the evaluation function isn't all that it's cracked up to
>>>be.
>>>
>>>-Tom
>>
>>It could also be that the 'patches' for the eval function would be to taxing on
>>a PC system. How expensive would certain things like the x-ray effect of pieces
>>be? You know, lining up a rook-rook-queen battery behind pieces and pawns for
>>devastating effect, or pawn-bishop-queen. I once proposed this to a programmer,
>>suggesting values for who controlled a square through this battery effect (even
>>though the piece at the end would be quite a distance from the controlled
>>square). The idea was to speed up certain tactics this way, and the positional
>>understanding of the program on who had better square/space control. When I was
>>told this was too costly, I realized that systems that had super hardware
>>offered possibilities one could only dream of with PCs. I have no doubt that DB
>>probably had MANY such dreams implemented.
>>
>
>If they did they would show up in DB and DBjr games, and made a difference. If
>they didn't show up in the games, then they must not have been very important.
>
>Amir

do you believe that junior 6 at 48 hrs per move plays better chess than deep
blue at 3 mins a move ?????????? if deep blue played junior on a athlon 1ghz  a
24 game match ,WOULD JUNIOR 6 GET WIPED OUT 24-0 OR WOULD IT BE CLOSER
?????????????? if junior 6 was run on a computer that made it search 200,000,000
nps would a program such as fritz 6 on a 500 mhz pc have a chance to win a match
??????

>
>
>>                                       Albert Silver



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