Author: Chessfun
Date: 20:32:57 01/22/00
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On January 22, 2000 at 22:40:07, Chessfun wrote:
>On January 22, 2000 at 13:00:59, James T. Walker wrote:
>
>>Regarding adjudication, I believe human intervention should be kept to a
>>minimum at all times. If a program loses on time or runs into time trouble that
>>is the fault of the program/programmer or it could be that the other program is
>>playing such good moves that it needed to use the extra time just to stay in the
>>game. That's why we use clocks to begin with. You can use extra time when you
>>need to but in the end you have to pay the piper. The only time I adjudicate
>>games is when it's an obvious draw and neither side has winning chances or when
>>one side is completely busted and even I could win the game from that position.
>>I only play blitz games on ICC and I lose about 40% of my games due to time. I
>>continue to play hopeing to improve my speed but I understand that time is an
>>integral part of the game that must be accounted for.
>>That's my take on the subject.
>>Jim Walker
>
>James,
> Thanks for your opinion.
>I generally agree with all what you say, with programs
>let them play till they finish. I will post another example
>later that I thought was for sure a draw and was tempted to
>adjudicate but let go and low and behold there was a winner.
>Thanks.
Now here is another example.
This game clearly looks drawn at about move 100, if not earlier.
Yet black manages to lose.
Have a look at this game, how can white win.
Time controls 40'/40 40'/40 40' on Cel 433.
The other game I posted BTW was on a P150.
[Event ""]
[Site "home"]
[Date "2000.01.19"]
[Round "3.2"]
[White ""]
[Black ""]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2661"]
[BlackElo "2761"]
[PlyCount "285"]
[EventDate "2000.01.18"]
[Source "mine"]
1. Nf3 {0} 1... Nf6 {0} 2. d4 {0} 2... e6 {0} 3. Bg5 {0} 3... c5 {0} 4. e3 {0}
4... Be7 {0} 5. Nbd2 {0} 5... b6 {0} 6. Bd3 {0} 6... Bb7 {0} 7. c3 {0} 7... h6
{0} 8. Bh4 {0} 8... cxd4 {0} 9. exd4 {0} 9... d6 {0} 10. O-O {0} 10... O-O {0}
11. Re1 {0} 11... Nbd7 {0.25/12 182} 12. Bg3 {0.51/9 87} 12... Nh5 {-0.03/12 67
} 13. Rc1 {(Nf1) 0.44/9 102} 13... Nxg3 {(Ndf6) 0.00/12 126} 14. fxg3 {
0.36/10 101} 14... Qc7 {(Nf6) 0.00/12 50} 15. c4 {(Qe2) 0.30/9 100} 15... Rac8
{(Rfc8) -0.19/12 152} 16. Qa4 {0.35/8 46} 16... Nf6 {-0.25/11 164} 17. b4 {
0.41/8 47} 17... a6 {-0.28/11 84} 18. Qd1 {(Nb3) 0.35/8 95} 18... Qd7 {
-0.31/11 104} 19. a4 {0.23/9 117} 19... a5 {-0.41/11 55} 20. bxa5 {
(Qb3) 0.05/9 114} 20... bxa5 {-0.53/12 59} 21. Ra1 {(Bc2) 0.04/9 75} 21... Bc6
{-0.69/11 97} 22. Qc2 {-0.14/9 112} 22... Rb8 {-0.81/12 73} 23. Reb1 {
-0.12/8 40} 23... Rfc8 {-0.81/11 40} 24. Ra2 {(Qd1) -0.45/9 146} 24... Bd8 {
(Rxb1+) -1.06/11 44} 25. Rba1 {(Rxb8) -0.43/9 107} 25... Rb4 {(Ng4) -1.31/11 69
} 26. Kh1 {(Qd1) -0.64/9 228} 26... Ng4 {-1.28/11 91} 27. Nf1 {
(Be2) -1.24/9 215} 27... Bd5 {(Bb6) -1.59/11 55} 28. h3 {-1.27/9 76} 28... Bxc4
{-1.50/11 21} 29. hxg4 {-1.38/9 61} 29... Bxa2 {-1.56/11 18} 30. Qxa2 {
-1.38/10 45} 30... Bf6 {-1.50/11 28} 31. Bb5 {-1.44/9 40} 31... Qc7 {
(Qa7) -1.50/12 41} 32. Rd1 {(Qf2) -1.37/9 78} 32... d5 {(Qc2) -1.47/12 32} 33.
Qd2 {(Kh2) -1.32/8 25} 33... Qc2 {-1.56/13 57} 34. Kg1 {(Qxc2) -1.34/9 52}
34... Rb2 {-1.53/12 43} 35. Kh2 {-1.43/9 52} 35... Qxd2 {(Rc3) -1.50/12 38} 36.
Rxd2 {(N1xd2) -1.23/10 45} 36... Rb1 {-1.44/13 22} 37. Kg1 {-1.15/11 46} 37...
Kf8 {(Rc3) -1.41/13 25} 38. Bd3 {(Kf2) -1.16/11 47} 38... Rb4 {-1.47/13 27} 39.
Bb5 {-1.22/11 36} 39... Ke7 {-1.41/13 21} 40. Ne3 {(Kf2) -1.22/11 31} 40... Rc7
{(Rc1+) -1.38/13 56} 41. Kf2 {-1.06/10 48} 41... Rb3 {(Rc3) -1.34/13 27} 42.
Nd1 {(Re2) -0.89/10 58} 42... g6 {(Kd6) -1.16/13 36} 43. Nb2 {-0.75/11 52}
43... Kd6 {(Rbc3) -1.16/13 30} 44. Nd3 {-0.59/11 57} 44... Bg7 {
(Rbc3) -1.03/13 53} 45. Re2 {(Ke3) -0.59/10 33} 45... g5 {(Rbc3) -1.06/14 84}
46. Kg1 {(Ke1) -0.55/10 59} 46... Rcc3 {(Rbc3) -1.09/12 27} 47. Nde5 {
-0.55/10 50} 47... Rc1+ {(Rc7) -1.06/12 24} 48. Kf2 {-0.61/12 78} 48... Rc7 {
-1.03/14 52} 49. Kg1 {(Nd3) -0.59/11 77} 49... Rbc3 {(Rb1+) -1.00/13 30} 50.
Kh2 {(Kf2) -0.57/11 65} 50... Rc1 {(Ra3) -1.13/13 92} 51. Rb2 {-0.59/10 53}
51... Ra1 {-1.16/13 39} 52. Nd3 {-0.67/10 49} 52... Rc3 {-1.09/14 144} 53. Nf2
{(Nfe5) -0.63/10 59} 53... Rcc1 {-1.22/13 33} 54. Re2 {-0.63/11 59} 54... Bh8 {
(Ke7) -1.31/14 75} 55. Nd2 {(Rd2) -0.55/11 59} 55... Rc7 {-1.25/14 48} 56. Nf3
{-0.63/11 50} 56... Ra3 {-1.22/13 26} 57. Nd3 {-0.54/11 79} 57... Bg7 {
-1.06/13 67} 58. Rd2 {-0.54/10 47} 58... f6 {(Rcc3) -1.13/13 31} 59. Nc5 {
-0.37/10 39} 59... e5 {-1.09/13 52} 60. Re2 {(Rb2) -0.40/9 49} 60... Rc3 {
-0.97/12 56} 61. Nd2 {(Rb2) 0.09/9 56} 61... R7xc5 {-0.84/15 64} 62. dxc5+ {
0.27/11 62} 62... Kxc5 {-0.75/14 45} 63. Nb1 {(Re1) -0.12/12 246} 63... Rc1 {
-0.84/15 46} 64. Na3 {(Rb2) -0.12/12 53} 64... Kb4 {(Rc3) -0.88/14 45} 65. Nc2+
{0.27/11 56} 65... Kb3 {(Kc5) -0.88/16 37} 66. Ne3 {0.30/12 53} 66... d4 {
-0.75/16 157} 67. Nd5 {0.38/11 32} 67... Rc2 {(Rd1) -0.84/14 42} 68. Re1 {
0.35/10 55} 68... Rc5 {-0.72/14 57} 69. Ne7 {0.35/10 36} 69... Rc3 {
(Kc2) -0.63/14 79} 70. Nc6 {0.73/10 81} 70... d3 {-0.41/15 88} 71. Nxa5+ {
0.73/10 55} 71... Kc2 {-0.31/15 64} 72. Nc4 {1.03/10 63} 72... d2 {-0.28/15 59}
73. Re2 {1.24/10 33} 73... Rd3 {-0.31/15 82} 74. a5 {0.35/11 249} 74... Bf8 {
-0.19/14 74} 75. Nb6 {(Re3) 0.58/9 29} 75... Bc5 {0.00/13 110} 76. Nd7 {
(Bxd3+) 0.40/9 41} 76... Rc3 {(Ba7) -0.53/13 44} 77. Nxf6 {(a6) 0.44/9 23}
77... Kc1 {-0.75/13 18} 78. Rxd2 {0.34/9 29} 78... Kxd2 {-0.88/14 12} 79. Ne4+
{0.29/12 34} 79... Kc2 {-0.88/17 42} 80. Ba4+ {(a6) 0.16/11 14} 80... Kb2 {
(Kd3) -0.84/18 87} 81. Nxc3 {0.00/13 130} 81... Kxc3 {-0.78/19 17} 82. Bc6 {
0.00/14 61} 82... Kb4 {(Kd3) -0.78/19 30} 83. a6 {0.00/13 78} 83... Ka5 {
-0.84/22 50} 84. Bb7 {0.00/14 58} 84... Bd4 {(Kb6) -0.81/22 41} 85. Bc8 {
(Kh3) 0.00/14 56} 85... e4 {(Bc5) -0.81/23 75} 86. Bf5 {0.02/13 32} 86... e3 {
-0.78/21 35} 87. Bd3 {0.03/13 54} 87... Kb4 {-0.56/23 89} 88. Be2 {-0.02/12 56}
88... Kc3 {-0.53/24 86} 89. Kg1 {0.00/13 30} 89... Kd2 {-0.50/25 103} 90. Kf1 {
0.00/14 45} 90... Bc5 {-0.44/25 53} 91. Bf3 {0.00/14 36} 91... Ba7 {-0.44/25 80
} 92. Be2 {0.00/15 48} 92... Bb6 {-0.44/25 54} 93. Bc4 {0.00/15 46} 93... Kc3 {
(Bc5) -0.41/23 72} 94. Bb5 {0.00/14 45} 94... Ba7 {(Kd2) -0.41/23 52} 95. Ke2 {
0.34/13 50} 95... Kd4 {(Kb4) -0.41/24 83} 96. Bd3 {0.33/13 43} 96... Kd5 {
-0.41/24 108} 97. Bf5 {(Bc2) 0.34/13 42} 97... Bc5 {(Kc4) -0.38/21 45} 98. Bg6
{(Bc2) 0.34/12 40} 98... Kd6 {(Kc4) -0.38/23 74} 99. Be4 {(Bh7) 0.34/12 39}
99... Kc7 {(Ke5) -0.38/22 147} 100. Kf3 {(Bh7) 0.34/12 38} 100... Kd6 {
0.00/19 38} 101. Bb7 {(Ke2) 0.34/12 29} 101... Ke5 {-0.38/22 57} 102. Ke2 {
(Bc8) 0.33/13 37} 102... Kd4 {-0.38/22 68} 103. Bc6 {(Bc8) 0.33/13 36} 103...
Bb6 {-0.41/21 64} 104. Bd7 {(Bb5) 0.33/12 28} 104... Ba7 {(Kc4) -0.41/23 49}
105. Be6 {(Bf5) 0.34/13 34} 105... Kc5 {-0.41/23 88} 106. Bf5 {0.33/13 33}
106... Kd6 {(Kd4) -0.41/22 50} 107. Be4 {(Bd3) 0.34/12 32} 107... Kc7 {
(Ke5) -0.38/21 27} 108. Bb7 {(Bd3) 0.34/12 33} 108... Bb6 {(Bc5) -0.38/21 29}
109. Bd5 {(Be4) 0.35/13 30} 109... Bd4 {(Ba7) -0.38/20 32} 110. Kd3 {
(Be4) 0.43/12 30} 110... Bc5 {(Ba7) -0.41/18 33} 111. Bc4 {(Ke2) 0.45/11 18}
111... Kb8 {(Kb6) 0.00/18 34} 112. Ke4 {0.47/12 28} 112... Kc8 {
(Kc7) -0.06/19 27} 113. Kf5 {0.47/11 31} 113... Kd7 {(Kb8) -0.06/18 22} 114.
Kg6 {0.94/11 30} 114... Ke7 {0.00/20 38} 115. Kxh6 {0.90/11 29} 115... Kf6 {
0.00/18 18} 116. Kh5 {0.81/13 24} 116... Ba7 {0.00/19 12} 117. Bb5 {
(Bf1) 0.81/14 24} 117... Bd4 {(Bc5) 0.00/20 18} 118. Be2 {(Bd3) 0.81/14 24}
118... Bb6 {(Ba7) 0.00/20 12} 119. Kh6 {(Bd3) 0.81/14 23} 119... Ba7 {
0.00/20 12} 120. Kh7 {(Bd3) 0.81/13 23} 120... Bc5 {(Bb8) 0.00/20 14} 121. Bf1
{(Bd3) 0.81/13 22} 121... Bd4 {(Ba7) 0.00/19 10} 122. Bd3 {(Kh6) 0.81/13 21}
122... Ba7 {0.00/19 14} 123. Be2 {(Kh6) 0.81/12 21} 123... Bc5 {
(Bb8) 0.00/22 12} 124. Bb5 {0.81/13 20} 124... Bb6 {0.00/19 12} 125. Kg8 {
(Kh6) 0.83/12 20} 125... Bc5 {0.00/16 16} 126. Bd3 {(Kh7) 0.84/12 19} 126...
Bb6 {(Ba7) 0.72/18 33} 127. Kf8 {0.84/11 19} 127... Ba7 {0.97/18 24} 128. Bc4 {
(Ke8) 1.69/11 18} 128... Bb6 {(Bb8) 1.06/19 47} 129. Ke8 {2.63/11 16} 129...
Ba7 {1.28/19 25} 130. Be2 {(Kd7) 2.73/12 50} 130... Ke6 {0.59/18 17} 131. Kd8 {
1.36/14 107} 131... Bc5 {(Kd6) 0.81/18 25} 132. Kc7 {3.16/12 12} 132... Ke5 {
(Kd5) 0.72/19 24} 133. Kc6 {1.23/13 71} 133... Kd4 {0.66/20 24} 134. Bb5 {
2.49/12 11} 134... Ba7 {1.25/17 16} 135. Kb7 {(Kd6) 2.74/13 11} 135... Bc5 {
0.44/17 16} 136. a7 {3.33/12 10} 136... Bxa7 {2.34/18 27} 137. Kxa7 {4.01/14 12
} 137... Kc3 {(Kc5) 3.25/21 20} 138. Kb6 {4.22/13 8} 138... Kd2 {3.41/21 25}
139. Kc5 {4.22/12 9} 139... Ke1 {3.47/20 15} 140. Kd4 {4.83/11 9} 140... Kf2 {
3.44/19 18} 141. Ke4 {4.56/11 19} 141... Kxg2 {(Kxg3) 4.75/16 11} 142. Kxe3 {
11.35/10 9} 142... Kh3 {4.97/19 12} 143. Bd7 {17.28/10 7} 1-0
Opinions..
Thanks.
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