Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 07:26:52 01/23/00
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On January 23, 2000 at 03:24:20, Tom Kerrigan wrote: >On January 23, 2000 at 02:51:55, Amir Ban wrote: > >>On January 23, 2000 at 01:19:04, Bruce Moreland wrote: >> >>>On January 22, 2000 at 17:47:28, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>They were searching about 100K nodes per second, according to Hsu. yes, they >>>>do a lot more in their eval than what they could do if they ran on a PC and >>>>searched 100K nodes per second (this match was in 1995-96 time frame, which >>>>would have been roughly pentium pro 200 level machines for the PC side). But >>>>regardless... if they searched only 100K, and they dominated the commercial >>>>programs as they have been reporting (again, 38-2 was reported) that says that >>>>whatever they are doing is pretty good... as programs like fritz are way over >>>>100K on a P6/200... >>> >>>I think that those matches should be absolutely ignored because they weren't >>>played under controlled conditions, and they weren't played in public. >>> >>>There are enough places that mistakes could have been made, and enough estimates >>>that could be off, that for these data to be accepted upon faith is completely >>>ridiculous. >>> >>>The machine has existed for some time, and has had ample opportunity to display >>>its talents on the internet and in international tournaments. However, we have >>>zero published games between a "full strength" DB Jr and any other program. >>> >>>For all I know it is a wonderful machine. However, if anyone wants me to accept >>>that it is a wonderful machine, it is going to have to come out and play some >>>games, the idea that it should play all of its computer vs computer games behind >>>locked doors and that we should simply accept the results is just bullshit. >>> >>>Sorry. >>> >>>bruce >> >>The results can be disregarded on these grounds of course, but it's also true >>that the results, as reported, can be dismissed as being in contradiction to the >>DB/DT public record, and to common sense in general. >> >>Amir > >I haven't seen the DB team go around hyping themselves. If they want to be >eccentric and not release any of their games, that's fine with me. I only have a >problem with Bob, who goes around preaching DB like a religion... > >-Tom Please pay close attention: _I_ did not report the 40 game match. _I_ reported the original 10 game match. Hsu/Campbell discussed this at a talk given _after_ the DB/Kasparov match was over. Somebody _else_ reported the 40 game match here on CCC, after they attended a talk presented by either Hsu or Campbell. I didn't know there were 40 games until I read about it. I only knew about the 10 games from direct communication with Hsu. You can easily go to DejaNews and find where I wrote about the original 10 game match. You can search thru the archives here to find out who reported on attending the DB lecture and then on the 40 game match. IE you can find the real data, or you can continue to make up your own. But the 40 game stuff did _not_ come from me... It came from the DB team, regardless of what you think...
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