Author: Chris Carson
Date: 17:40:08 01/23/00
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On January 23, 2000 at 17:23:23, José de Jesús García Ruvalcaba wrote: >On January 23, 2000 at 12:46:36, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >[big snip] >>Deep Thought's processor was a 1987 piece of hardware. By 1995 it had proven >>itself to perform at a GM level, with three numbers you can choose from. An >>official USCF rating of 2551 over almost 50 games. A TPR over its best 25 >>consecutive games of 2650. And finally if you only count deep thought games >>without the first few which had horrible hardware problems, it had a TPR of >>2590. >> >>All are impressive. _all_ are 1986 hardware (the single processor version, >>called "chiptest" first played in the 1986 ACM tournament.) >> >>So 1986 hardware produced a true GM-level machine, based on enough games that it >>can't be considered a fluke or accident. >> > > Sorry Bob, but I definitely do not consider these achievements as "true >GM-level". Feel free to disagree. > >>Today, Rebel is trying to produce the same result, on hardware that is 14 years >>newer. It is _very_ close to 2500. It isn't as close to 2650 (by taking the >>best 25 games vs humans). But it might make 2500 by the Summer with a little >>luck. >> > > Rebel is playing against FIDE rated players. The 2650 you mention is USCF. > >>With the above data, how far _ahead_ of Rebel (in terms of time) would you say >>DB-2 is? Rebel has yet to do what 1986 hardware has done. No other program >>has yet produced a GM-class rating over 25 games. My guess is, as it always has >>been, at _least_ 10 years behind. >> >>We can discuss any of the above that you like, of course... >> >>We have DT's results documented quite well. We have (thanks to Enrique) >>Rebel's results so far. A few more months will push this to 25 solid >>games... 1986 vs 1999 hardware. fairly close comparison in performance. >> >>Of course, we have the problem of the 1997 version of the Hardware to deal >>with. :) Good points. DT ratings are USCF, today commercials are FIDE. IMHO: FIDE ratings = USCF - 100, I will keep as my opinion until I can locate the source I got this from. I have heard this a lot, so please feel free to help out and point me in the right direction. :) Best Regards, Chris Carson
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