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Subject: Re: next deep blue

Author: Chris Carson

Date: 17:40:08 01/23/00

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On January 23, 2000 at 17:23:23, José de Jesús García Ruvalcaba wrote:

>On January 23, 2000 at 12:46:36, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>[big snip]
>>Deep Thought's processor was a 1987 piece of hardware.  By 1995 it had proven
>>itself to perform at a GM level, with three numbers you can choose from.  An
>>official USCF rating of 2551 over almost 50 games.  A TPR over its best 25
>>consecutive games of 2650.  And finally if you only count deep thought games
>>without the first few which had horrible hardware problems, it had a TPR of
>>2590.
>>
>>All are impressive.  _all_ are 1986 hardware (the single processor version,
>>called "chiptest" first played in the 1986 ACM tournament.)
>>
>>So 1986 hardware produced a true GM-level machine, based on enough games that it
>>can't be considered a fluke or accident.
>>
>
>	Sorry Bob, but I definitely do not consider these achievements as "true
>GM-level". Feel free to disagree.
>
>>Today, Rebel is trying to produce the same result, on hardware that is 14 years
>>newer.  It is _very_ close to 2500. It isn't as close to 2650 (by taking the
>>best 25 games vs humans).  But it might make 2500 by the Summer with a little
>>luck.
>>
>
>	Rebel is playing against FIDE rated players. The 2650 you mention is USCF.
>
>>With the above data, how far _ahead_ of Rebel (in terms of time) would you say
>>DB-2 is?  Rebel has yet to do what 1986 hardware has done.  No other program
>>has yet produced a GM-class rating over 25 games.  My guess is, as it always has
>>been, at _least_ 10 years behind.
>>
>>We can discuss any of the above that you like, of course...
>>
>>We have DT's results documented quite well.  We have (thanks to Enrique)
>>Rebel's results so far.  A few more months will push this to 25 solid
>>games...  1986 vs 1999 hardware.  fairly close comparison in performance.
>>
>>Of course, we have the problem of the 1997 version of the Hardware to deal
>>with. :)

Good points.  DT ratings are USCF, today commercials are FIDE.

IMHO:  FIDE ratings = USCF - 100, I will keep as my opinion
until I can locate the source I got this from.  I have heard
this a lot, so please feel free to help out and point me in
the right direction.  :)

Best Regards,
Chris Carson



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