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Subject: Re: next deep blue

Author: blass uri

Date: 01:22:14 01/24/00

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On January 23, 2000 at 22:58:42, Robert Hyatt wrote:


>That is where we disagreed.  I absolutely said it was not a good idea.  And
>could see _no_ reason Hsu would invest that much work.  I know _I_ don't write
>code just for the heck of it...  And I absolutely hate to rewrite already
>existing code for the heck of it... which is what we would be asking him to
>do:  "Hsu, please take your hardware design, reproduce it in C, and put it into
>a program so we can see how it does.  We know it will be way slower.  And
>that your old search won't work well as it was tuned for a much faster program.
>And that the eval weights might not be tuned to the new shallower depth...  But
>do it anyway."
>
>Berliner reported in a HiTech paper that when he tried testing at very shallow
>depths it broke his program because his eval assumed a certain basic search
>depth to find some simple tactics...  and when he ran the "hitech vs lotech"
>tests to try to predict rating per ply increases, he saw this.  I don't think
>it is possible to just re-do DB in a PC disguise.  I think Hsu would start over
>and end up with something pretty similar to what everybody else has.  Evolution
>has not brought us all to the same 'neighborhood' accidentally...

If the evaluation was not good for 100,000 nodes/second but only for 200,000,000
nodes/seconds then the 38:2 or 10:0 results against micros do not make sense.

If the evaluation was also good for 100000 nodes/second then there is no reason
not to do it for the PC because I believe based on hsu's words that it can
search 100000 nodes/seconds in the near future on regular computers and if it is
400 elo better than 2450 ssdf rating at 100000 nodes/seconds(I assume that the
38:2 or 10:0 results were against programs with 2450 ssdf rating on p200 and not
against weaker programs like sargon) then it can be the best in comp-comp in the
near future.

Uri



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