Author: Christophe Theron
Date: 09:59:17 01/25/00
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On January 24, 2000 at 18:36:20, Mark Young wrote:
>On January 24, 2000 at 14:19:53, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>On January 24, 2000 at 11:44:48, Thorsten Czub wrote:
>>
>>>excactly this makes no sense.
>>>
>>>test them all on 450.
>>>and test top programs versus weaker programs.
>>>
>>>but throw out the very old programs like shredder2.
>>>
>>>this makes no sense. your statistics get weakened by these
>>>results. the results are not reflecting the strength.
>>>
>>>all on 450.
>>>top programs + weaker programs.
>>>throw out the very old things.
>>>one version behind = latest-1 is ok, but latest - 2 is IMO
>>>too old.
>>
>>
>>Thorsten, an elo calculation can be done for a new program only if its opponents
>>have a known, well established elo (with many games, and a small error margin).
>>
>>This is why it is better to play against older program than against new programs
>>on 450, because the new programs have a too big error margin.
>>
>>It's maybe the 3rd or 4th time I repeat this to you. The SSDF results are VALID.
>>
>>Of course you want to see the recent programs play against each other, but this
>>is not the job of the SSDF. Their job is to compute ratings as accurate as
>>possible.
>>
>>This is the job of passionated testers, like you, Shep, Enrique and others, to
>>play the recent programs against each other.
>>
>>Let the SSDF do the less interesting work, and do yourself the interesting
>>stuff. We are listening carefully to both the SSDF and testers.
>>
>>But don't say SSDF results make no sense.
>
>It is refreshing to see a chess programmer call it like it is, I have noticed
>you do not make excuses for you programs results, good or bad. Very
>Refreshing!!! I am sure this is one of the reasons your program is tops on the
>SSDF list, you look at the results objectively.
And if I was not objective, I know several people here that would help me to
realize it! :)
But I'm not objective anyway. When my program wins or draws, it does not make me
specially happy. But when it loses, I'm really really angry. I need my program
to get spanked to be motivated! :)
(and yes, it happens)
Christophe
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