Author: stuart taylor
Date: 10:39:34 01/25/00
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On January 25, 2000 at 12:31:48, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>On January 25, 2000 at 03:52:29, Roger wrote:
>
>>Banning someone is so extreme...Banning is to CCC what the death penalty is to
>>society at large. Effectively, a person is being put to death, relative to this
>>forum.
>
>This is rhetoric. You are associating these two concepts, and they are not
>associated. Killing someone is killing someone. Banning someone is not even
>close to killing someone.
>
>>History has shown that Freedome of Speech is so valuable, and the price of
>>censorship so high, that we resist censorship whenever possible, the wisdom here
>>being to err on the side of liberalism.
>>
>>I wonder, then, whether we ought to entertain alternatives to banning.
>>
>>First, A GROUP VOTE ON BANNING SOMEONE: Are there ever cases where the
>>moderators should defer to the group before banning someone. In other words,
>>rather than the moderators taking all the heat for what might be an unpopular
>>decision, the group would have to assume responsibility for its actions, and
>>vote on banning someone. There would be no specific person to blame, the group
>>having spoken democratically.
>
>A representative system is fine. The idea is that we vote for moderators, and
>they do approximately what they said they would do when they ran for the job.
>
>When moderators ban someone there is typically a lot of discussion. Do you want
>that discussion to take place here? I think that most people wouldn't.
>
>>Second, it seems to be that before someone is banned, they ought to be
>>SUSPENDED. They ought to see their posting privileges revoked for a specific
>>period of time. A week at first, perhaps, followed by two, then a month, then
>>cast out.
>
>This has been suggested repeatedly, and I believe that some moderator candidates
>have made it part of their platform in the past.
>
>There is a problem with this. You give people a free pass to say whatever they
>want to say a few times, because they know that what the moderators can do to
>them is very rigidly defined.
>
>There are also cases where someone appears and makes clear their intention to be
>a problem with their very first post. We had a guy last year who wrote a post
>entitled, "fuck you", and the body of the post consisted in total of the
>sentence, "no really, fuck you". This guy had never posted before.
>
>What would the point be of sending someone like that a warning that they need to
>post with a civil tone? Why should effort be spent suspending that guy for a
>week, and notifying him at the end of the week that he can take another pass at
>us?
>
>We elect three people to moderate. Sometimes it doesn't work out perfectly, but
>I'd like to take my chances rather than have everything go through full group
>discussion or have everything defined rigidly.
>
>>Seems that the moderators would assume the power to suspend someone
>>automatically, but that a group vote would be required on banning. This would
>>give some middle ground between banning and not banning, and might well let a
>>rowdy poster adjust to the group, and the group to the poster.
>
>Not necessary.
>
>bruce
>
>>Roger
I myself have written a few things below a little,explaining what I think
about suspending.(by the way, I feel that suspending for a fixed period is
not best for three reasons. 1.It is like a punishment-which is humiliating
2.He can do the same thing again-with a vengeance.3.you have to take the
trouble to e-mail him.
Just suspend him, and wait for him to e-mail you.That solves all the above
including no.2, since you then get his appology or atleast some self- effacement
before he's back on again.(in some cases he may really need a VERY good excuse).
Next offense show him you are a little more skeptical etc. etc.I really
don't see the difficulty. He has the problem of convincing you.
What is the difference between suspending(without time limit) and banning?
And-The above case I agree can be taken off immeadiately.
Regards!
S.Taylor.
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