Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 11:23:10 01/25/00
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On January 25, 2000 at 10:41:20, jonathon smith wrote: >On January 25, 2000 at 10:14:55, Tom Kerrigan wrote: > >>Let's say somebody comes in here and makes 8,000 posts (in one sitting) >>consisting of Nazi propoganda and advertisements for X-rated sites. Also, just >>for good measure, this hypothetical person might reply to every thread, saying >>it's the stupidest thing ever and that the poster is an idiot (or worse). >> >>Instead of immediately banning this person, who obviously has no value to CCC >>and probably very little value in the real world, you would prefer some long and >>drawn out voting procedure? >> >>You have to have some faith in the moderators that you elect. Some faith that >>they won't run around deleting posts they simply don't like and banning people >>for political reasons... >> >>-Tom > >Moderators certainly do ban people for 'political reasons'. > >Take the case of Chris Whittington: > >ChrisW ceased all posting to the CCC board in start of November 1997. He did not >post one word there, November 1997, December 1997, January 1998, February 1998, >March 1998. > >On 17 March 1998 Chris received an email from Enrique Irazoqui (CCC moderator at >that time) stating: > >"I was told to ban you two days ago, but I refused. But then I saw your post in >rgcc and I ran back to them [the Founder's Group] as fast as my legs would carry >me. Now I have to do it." > >On the same say the following attempt at a public humilation and ban was >published into rgcc, emanating from the email account of Ed Schroder: > >=============================================================== >Subject: Rebuttal to Chris Whittington >Date: 03/17/1998 >Author: Ed Schroder <info@rebel.nl> > >We have long ago learned that r.g.c.c. can not be influenced in whatever way to >ensure civilized behavior, this was one of the reasons we have founded CCC. > >We assure all members of the CCC community that Chris Whittington will be given >no possibility to compromise or influence in any way the content and policies of >the CCC board. > >Since we are not interested to answer Chris' statements here on r.g.c.c. which >we believe to be mostly untrue, slanderous and self-serving, we leave it up to >you (the r.g.c.c. community) to deal with those issues yourselves. After all, >this is the common ground on which this public newsgroup operates. We might add >that Chris Whittington himself chose to terminate a private email discussion on >the matter he now chooses to bring some months later in public on r.g.c.c. > >Rolf Tueschen and Chris Whittington might be on the other hand just two >contributors to r.g.c.c., which makes the concept of the CCC board seem even >more attractive, since both of them are not welcome there. > >Respectfully > >Moritz Berger >Ed Schroder >Enrique Irazoqui >Bob Hyatt >Thorsten Czub >Dirk Frickenschmidt >Peter Schreiner >Andreas Mader >=========================================================== > >There ensued a year long (or so) flame fest between ChrisW, Hyatt and >Frickenschmidt, with the latter two trying to pretend that ChrisW was not >'banned', but had quit. > >Obviously they liked this cover story, since any other explanation didn't look >too good for people pretending democracy and fair dealing, etc. etc. > >There certainly is no doubt ChrisW was banned. And for the following reasons: > >1. Accusing Ed Schroeder of running a campaign to discredit the program Mchess. > >2. Posting on rgcc that ChrisW considered some of the accusations made by Rolf >Teuschen on Ed Schroeder to be accurate. > >3. Posting on rgcc that ChrisW considered that the original moderators on CCC >acted like 'little Hitlers'. > >So, when the chips are down, anybody contentious can be banned for political >reasons, or on any grounds that the powers-that-be decide. That is the nature of >a 'club' as opposed to a 'forum'. This was no cover story. You (excuse me, I meant Chris) specifically said "please delete my CCC handle as I won't be back." We debated this for a good while, taking no action. Later we finally asked for this to be done. We didn't have a 'ban' policy in effect with Steve, so he simply changed the password, which effectively did what you (I mean Chris) asked. Of course, it did mean that you (I mean Chris) could never use this handle again. We were not aware of this until Bruce researched it last year. Of course you (I mean Chris) can (and does) come back under a different handle. I have no problem with deleting the old ID and letting the 'group' rejoin under one handle. Never did. But we took the 'action' based on a 'demand'. Not because we wanted to, particularly. The "CW group" wanted to ban Rolf. We finally relented. Then the "CW group" wanted him back, and made some pretty outrageous statements in r.g.c.c about _who_ initiated the "ban rolf" party. That got everyone pretty riled up, enough to honor your (I mean his) request. If you (he) wants to come back, no problem for me...
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