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Subject: MODERATION Re: Banning best thing about CCC? No way, Dann.

Author: Steven Schwartz

Date: 13:05:07 01/25/00

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This topic deals with moderation. Please begin your subject heading as
such from now on. Thanks.
Steve (ICD/our Move)


On January 25, 2000 at 15:50:48, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On January 25, 2000 at 15:41:18, Roger wrote:
>
>>Dann, I have no idea how all the things you said got equated with what I said.
>>Yes, banning can and should be used to get rid of obnoxious people.
>>
>>But banning isn't the difference between CCC and RGCC. Moderation is the
>>difference. CCC isn't a banned grouop, it's a moderated group. Banning is only
>>moderation in it's most extreme form. I don't think for a minute that banning or
>>the threat of banning is the best thing about CCC, intelligent moderation IS.
>Are you talking about the "Intelligent" moderated group?
>
>>Nor did I say that banning eliminated a persons free speech across all forums,
>>or that it pulled people's soapbox out from under them.
>>
>>When society puts someone to death, it acts to expunge that person from it's
>>presence. Sending someone into exile has the same goal. So does banning.
>>Relative to the group, the person simply DOESN'T EXIST. Functionally, the person
>>is dead, RELATIVE TO CCC (this is what I stated).
>What you stated is wrong -- completely wrong.  There is a procedure for
>reinstatement.  The guilty party waits the period of the ban and asks for
>reinstatement.  After that period has passed, they get to post again.  As long
>as they behave themselves, they get to stay.  I do (however) support long-term
>bans as well.  For instance, I don't think Sean Evans should ever be let back
>in, and I think that all of his aliases should be removed the instant he tries
>to use them.
>
>>Banning is so extreme that I think there are a range of intelligent alternatives
>>that people might want to consider. I am asking that we consider them. I don't
>>think it should be eliminated, I think the mechanism through which it is applied
>>should be changed.
>I would not agree to moderation where the whinging twits cannot be removed.
>Even their brief stays causes so much havoc it is unbelievable.  The few banned
>members cause more problems than all of the thousands of regular posters put
>together.  As a society, we put people into prisons and jails.  That is an
>extreme measure.  Why do you suppose that such extreme measures are taken?  Do
>you wish that they would do away with provisions like that?  Would you like Ted
>Bundy to babysit your daughter?  An absurd parallel, to be sure.  But some
>persons are such pests that if they were allowed to roam free here, I would not
>leave altogether, but this place would lose 99.9999% of its value for me.



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