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Subject: Re: My chess program has muscles on its muscles covered with muscles

Author: stuart taylor

Date: 23:15:09 01/25/00

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On January 26, 2000 at 00:01:30, Dann Corbit wrote:

>I think we are all passionate about the chess programs we like.
>
>Me worse than most, and irrationally so.  I seethe when one of my favorites is
>beaten.  :-( !!!
>
>Michael Cummings (for instance) is [or seems to be to me anyway] passionate
>about Chessmaster, which I think is great.
>
>All of which is a lot better than a bunch of people who could care less.
>
>I try to talk about statistics once in a while.  Quite frankly, I don't think
>anyone gives a hoot about the math.  I have seen rational, intelligent people
>tell me that they "know" chess program 'A' is much stronger than chess program
>'B' after a single game!  Not a single tournament, a single G A M E !!!
>
>Will people ever decide to grade their chess programs on a rational basis?
>Using mathematics and logic and deduction?
>
>For playing strength, they probably should.  But for fun?  I'm not so sure.  And
>if we could mathematically prove which one was best (fortunately we *can't*) it
>might take all the fun out of drooling over the latest release on zippy new
>hardware.


A nice posting!  I feel the same, so I am now just trying to see things through
observers eyes, and will soon buy what I see is the best.
  It's a very hard thing. Every program is unique-in knowledge too. But I think
there can be some mathemtical formula E.G. if a program never gets less than 50%
in a match against any other program, then that is saying something quite good!
But you have to be prepared to overlook up to 50%.Then hopes might be able to
reach reality.
   I was also thinking that each true generation can be measured as at least a
difference of 100 elo, 50 coming from program and 50 from cpu. If so, I think of
genius3 on 100 mhz.   Then came hiarcs6 on 200 mhz. and now, maybe fritz6 on
400+ mhz. Confidently 3 generations-each generation superior to previous in
every aspect.
  Those like me-you might agree I've done some of the worrying for them-it might
put their mind at rest-by listening to me.You can change the actual details if
you like. It might suit your needs better. I just gave examples.
  Stuart Taylor



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