Author: Enrique Irazoqui
Date: 06:06:42 01/26/00
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On January 26, 2000 at 09:02:01, James T. Walker wrote: >On January 26, 2000 at 08:26:42, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: > >>On January 26, 2000 at 07:45:02, Ed Schröder wrote: >> >>>On January 26, 2000 at 07:17:05, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: >>> >>>>About being "World champion, the rest is details", it's a classic case of >>>>hypostatization, which is "to attribute real identity to a concept." >>>> >>>>1. We create a Swiss tournament of 11 rounds and name it World Championship. >>>>2. Program X wins the tournament and becomes World Champion. >>>>3. We are to believe that program X is the best because it is the World Champion >>>>and the rest is details. >>>> >>>>If this 11 round tournament would have given another name, for instance ICCA >>>>championship, steps 2 and 3 wouldn't cross anybody's mind. >>>> >>>>With this I don't intend to attack Shredder 4, Junior 4.6 or Fritz 3, all fine >>>>programs and none of them the best, but to question the meaning of a name. >>>> >>>>No human would become world champion after playing a total of 11 games in his >>>>life, and I don't think programs should either. >>>> >>>>Enrique >>> >>>Would you knock off the Champions League? It's the same system and generally >>>accepted. The one who wins is the strongest. >> >>Therefore Junior 4.6 was the strongest, and you know it wasn't. >> >>You can't compare chess and football, for the same reason that you can't compare >>apples and oranges. But if you want to stick to your analogy, imagine a >>Champions League consisting of 5 minute games. >> >>Imagine also that FIDE organizes a World Championship in the form of a Swiss >>tournament of 11 rounds. Whould you consider the winner as World Champion? The >>Las Vegas thing crowned Khalifman as World Champion. Who believes in it? >>Kasparov is World Champion after winning many matches of all sort and an >>extraordinary career. We all believe he is the World Champion. >> >>Enrique >> >>>Ed > > >Sorry Enrique but I for one don't believe G. Kasparov is World Champion any more >than Bobby Fischer is World Champion. I believe GK is the strongest player in >the World This was my point. And you wouldn't believe it if he would have only won a Swiss of 11 rounds. > but he is not World Champion in my mind. As a Kasparov fan, I disagree with you. But this is a different issue. Enrique > Fischer lost his title by >refusing to compete. Why is this different for GK? The title or Championship >is won in any sport/game by competing for it and luck may play a part and the >best may not always win but the winner is always champion. >Jim Walker
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