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Subject: Re: Moderation: Why would someone stick their neck out?

Author: jonathon smith

Date: 07:50:31 01/27/00

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On January 27, 2000 at 10:44:17, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:

>On January 27, 2000 at 10:11:14, jonathon smith wrote:
>
>>On January 27, 2000 at 07:39:52, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:
>>
>>>It just happens that this is exactly how it went and why we, all the founders by
>>>unanimous decision, decided to "honor his request." Nothing kafkaiesque about
>>>it, but I admit it was messy. Chris didn't do anything special in CCC, except
>>>once that he got a yellow card, I believe. "Honoring his "request", as Bob well
>>>puts it, or his banning, which in practice amounts to be the same, was based on
>>>the "outrageous (quoting Bob again) statements in rgcc".
>>
>>Therefore what you did was a banning. As also confirmed by your email on the
>>same day 17/March stating:
>>
>>"They told me to ban you, but I refused, then I saw your post on rgcc and I ran
>>back to them [Founder's Group] as fast as my legs would carry me. Now I have to
>>do it"
>>
>>and also by the public humilation rgcc posting:
>>
>>>Rolf Tueschen and Chris Whittington might be on the other hand just two
>>>contributors to r.g.c.c., which makes the concept of the CCC board seem even
>>>more attractive, since both of them are not welcome there.
>>
>>ChrisW says he assumes 'not welcome' = banned.
>>
>>
>>Now, here is the CCC Charter, taken from the FAQ on the CCC site:
>>
>>CCC Charter:
>>What types of posts will be allowed on these message boards?
>>Once a member gains access to the message board, he may read all messages and
>>post new or response messages with the proviso that these new or response
>>messages:
>>
>>Are, within reason, on the topic of computer chess
>>Are not abusive in nature
>>Do not contain personal and/or libelous attacks on others
>>Are not flagrant commercial exhortations
>>Are not of questionable legal status.
>>
>>A panel of moderators has the power to erase specific messages that violate the
>>spirit of the charter of the Computer-Chess Club, and to take, if necessary,
>>suitable sanctions against offenders."
>>
>>End of Charter.
>>
>>
>>
>>Please explain how it was that ChrisW broke this charter and was banned when he
>>hade not posted anything to the CCC newsgroup for the previous five months?
>>
>>Were ChrisW's posts to the CCC board during that period "within reason, on the
>>topic of computer chess"? Since he didn't post anything, did ChrisW violate this
>>Charter point?
>>
>>Were ChrisW's posts to the CCC board during that period "abusive in nature"?
>>Since he didn't post anything, did ChrisW violate this Charter point?
>>
>>Were ChrisW's posts to the CCC board during that period "containing personal
>>and/or libelous attacks on others"? Since he didn't post anything, did ChrisW
>>violate this Charter point?
>>
>>Were ChrisW's posts to the CCC board during that period "flagrant commercial
>>exhortations"? Since he didn't post anything, did ChrisW violate this Charter
>>point?
>>
>>Were ChrisW's posts to the CCC board during that period "of questionable legal
>>status"? Since he didn't post anything, did ChrisW violate this Charter point?
>>
>>Were ChrisW's posts to the CCC board during that period "violating the spirit of
>>the charter of the Computer-Chess Club"? Since he didn't post anything, did
>>ChrisW violate this Charter point?
>>
>>Did the Panel of Moderators / Founder's Group have "the power to erase
>>messages... to take, if necessary, suitable sanctions against offenders" against
>>someone who did not post into the CCC for five months?
>>
>>Please explain how you write this on 17 March 1998:
>>
>>"They told me to ban you, but I refused, then I saw your post on rgcc and I ran
>>back to them [Founder's Group] as fast as my legs would carry me. Now I have to
>>do it"
>>
>>and then spent almost two years months denying it was a ban.
>>
>>
>>Please explain how you signed the rgcc humiliation document: "[ChrisW] not
>>welcome there [CCC]"
>>
>>and then spent almost two years denying it was a ban.
>>
>>
>>Will any of these phrases help?
>>
>>"Those were the Rolf times and another Rolf seemed too much for all of us"
>>
>>"... but I admit it was messy"
>>
>>"It was not that we went witch hunting"
>>
>>"Nothing kafkaiesque about it"
>
>
>All this is your usual self-serving rhetoric.
>
>You spent a long time insulting all of us on RGCC *before* we cancelled your CCC
>password. You demanded the removal of your password. After all the insults to
>your "little hitlers, the "little hitlers" didn't want anything to do with you.
>Accepting your demand was the easy way out.
>
>Was it a ban? In practice it had the same effect. I am not denying it, I am not
>accepting it. What happens is that I fail to see why this matters. You wanted
>out and we slammed the door behind you, as Bob graphically put it once. Was this
>case foreseen in the charter? No, and neither was your demand to have your
>password cancelled. It did not happen in CCC but in the email group of the
>founders of CCC.
>
>Because of the confusion of deciding to slam the door for reasons other than
>your posts on CCC, I have been asking for a long time to readmit you and Rolf in
>here. But not because you have been unfairly victimized.
>
>You are rewriting history by putting yourself as the victim. In fact, you are
>doing exactly the same now that you did when you demanded Ed to apologize to
>Rolf. It is your self-serving way to put the world upside down.
>
>This is the last time I answer to you. I don't want any part in your inversion
>of truth.
>
>Enrique



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