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Subject: Re: Moderation: Patterns in random noise

Author: jonathon smith

Date: 07:42:36 01/28/00

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On January 27, 2000 at 15:09:03, Dann Corbit wrote:

>Chris W. has informed Johnathon well and accurately that he is picked on.
>Anyone who denies this is living with their head in the sand.  I see it.  You
>see it.  We all see it.  So the question is "Why?"  Why do people pick on Chris?

ChrisW told me he doesn't think he is picked on at all. ChrisW is quite happy in
a free-for-all where people stand up for themselves. ChrisW says what he
disapproves of is when certain persons, unable to withstand *true* arguments,
resort to censorship and banning and then endlessly lie loudly afterwards.
Simple as that.

However, since you write on this thread, ChrisW thought it appropriate to
suggest to me that I post his thoughts on another matter with which you may have
a slight connection. These thoughts are speculative, and theoretical, but may
have meaning.


First off, if you weren't reading CCC and rgcc before that, this post will have
very little meaning for you. Click the back button now.

If you are a child or easily offended - click the back button now.

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ChrisW told me that he began to think about the most 'despised' post ever posted
onto the CCC. The post always quoted by Bruce Moreland as a moderation example.
Bruce quotes it, probably four or five times now, as an argument for being able
to make instant deletion of a post, and instant banning of a poster. This is the
post where some guy nobody ever heard of, probably with a hotmail account, made
a post whose header is "F*** you" and the text body is "No, really f*** you".
That's it. That's the post. It happened way back. Bruce quotes it often.

Now what does everybody think of this post? Not much. Must be just some other
nutcase. Making just another random, pointless piece of abuse. Probably a kid.
Might be Sean. Just delete it and kill the account. Nobody argues with this,
it's a universal truth, so obvious that even anti-censorship ChrisW wouldn't
disagree.

So ChrisW told me he does what he always does with universal truths. Stand them
on their head. Suppose this post, this stupid "f*** you" post has meaning, for
somebody, somewhere.

ChrisW told me that there appears to be a degree of homo-eroticism on the CCC
board. Occasional posts with 'spanking' in the headers, or 'I deserve a good
spanking' for example, although there are others. Usually from the same set of
posters. These posts don't get deleted, even though they form some kind of
pattern. They're left on the board, and it is rare for a 'respected' poster to
answer them. Almost as if readers see the implication, don't approve, but don't
know what to do - so they, and the moderators, just ignore it. Meanwhile the
posts live on, reappear in different forms, and form part of the sub-culture of
the news group.

ChrisW told me that he used to think that these posts were just random nonsense,
posted by stupid people. But that thinking about Bruce using the example yet
again of the "f*** you" post, he thought he saw a pattern.

What if these posts formed part of a long-lasting homo-erotic taunting of one
member by another, or rather by another who makes multiple accounts. Wouldn't
"f*** you, no really f*** you" just be another post in the taunting? Is it
possible that this one post, this one example of random, abusive nonsense, the
main example of it; is it possible that this one post carries the key to
understanding one of the relatively important sub-plots?

Is the taunting an unanswerable torture? Threatening to reveal something that
the taunter knows?

Because, if it is, as perhaps the most vicious attack here, it is straight past
the moderation system.

And, if it is, what is the basis of this taunting? ChrisW thinks to answer that
might require turning another 'universal assumption' on its head  That persons
just randomly turn up on news groups. That these random people didn't meet
before in the real world.

Is all the noise just random? Or is "f*** you, no really f*** you"  yet another
example of a very effective psychological terrorism?





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