Author: Howard Exner
Date: 02:15:01 01/29/00
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On January 29, 2000 at 02:21:25, Dann Corbit wrote: >Let's revisit the GM norm concept again. That's a road weve visited and revisited many a time here at CCC. Someone talks of playing at GM strength (not is a GM) and others say it will not happen because of the FIDE rules that apply to humans. GM is a title granted to humans by FIDE. Playing strength is, ... well, playing strength. From Steve Pribut's chess FAQ: > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >"Subject: [1] Federation Internationale des Echecs (FIDE) >FIDE (pronounced "fee-day") is an international chess organization that >organizes tournaments (e.g. Olympiad), grants titles, and controls the World >Championship cycle of FIDE. For an example of how politics works in any >organization read the latest happennings in rec.games.chess.politics. > >Avenue de Beaumont 9 CH - 1012 Lausanne Switzerland phone +41(21)329 19 21 fax >+41(21)329 19 22 > >FIDE grants three over-the-board titles: FIDE Master (FM), International Master >(IM), and Grandmaster (GM). FM can be obtained by keeping your FIDE rating over >2300 for 25 games. IM and GM titles require performances at certain levels for >25-30 games (2450 for IM and 2600 for GM). This is usually achieved by obtaining >several "norms." A norm is obtained when a player makes at least a given score >in a FIDE tournament. The required score is a function of the number of rounds >and the strength of the opposition. There are also minimum rating requirements. >There are about 35 GM's, 60 IM's, and 100 FM's living in the U.S., not all of >whom are active players. > >FIDE also grants titles for which only women are eligible: FIDE Woman Master, >Woman International Master (WIM) and Woman Grandmaster (WGM). Women are also >eligible for the other titles. > >FIDE also grants titles for Chess Composition, Composition Judging, Tournament >Direction (as "Arbiter"), and Correspondence Chess. Another title one may obtain >is "International Organiser". >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here's an article that explains the GM norm with an example. It may clarifys/corrects the above description but in essence is close to the same. from http://www.insidechess.com/magazine/issue910.html Ludger Keitlinghaus scored the biggest victory of his career in winning the March edition of Laszlo Nagy's First Saturday event. The 30-year-old German IM's undefeated score of 9.5/13 in the Category 9 (2464) event was good for a GM norm and more. Currently FIDE has two requirements for awarding the GM title: (1) A rating of 2500 FIDE; (2) Two or more GM norms (typically a performance of 2600 or more) in events totaling at least 24 games, with one event a round robin. Keitlinghaus' performance not only met the round-robin requirement, but was also a rare 13-game norm. Typically players gain the title by combining norms in three 9-round events. The German IM can do it in two by making a norm in an 11-rounder. > >IOW, to have a real "GM Norm" performance is to average 2600+ for 25-30 games. >This must happen at least 3 times. Some can achieve there there three norms while being rated below 2500. Take the case of Tal Shaked (2445) when he achieved his 3rd GM norm. http://www.chessworks.com/events/oldevents/hawaii97.htm This is more to the essence of what I'd like to see debated. Playing strength as measured by results from games(rating). Century is at the 2500+ level after around 30 games. Let's patiently watch where it goes from here as more games will solidify its rating one way or the other. Computers have not managed this yet That I >can see anyway. I think if they pull it off in those contests in Israel, then >we can say it has happened. And I will admit it is not far off that it will >happen. But I still think that GM's will learn to play against computers. > >They have not done that yet. At least most of them haven't. Well I'm not as sure, maybe they do, maybe they don't. Time will unravel that but for now as the original poster said, the data is telling us something. 2520 is an excellent rating for an IM to have and not too bad a one for a GM either.
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