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Subject: Re: Crafty don't find a winning move !!

Author: Dave Gomboc

Date: 16:03:13 02/01/00

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On February 01, 2000 at 18:58:16, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On February 01, 2000 at 18:32:11, Côme wrote:
>>On February 01, 2000 at 18:14:08, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>On February 01, 2000 at 18:02:16, Côme wrote:
>>>[snip]
>>>>But It doesn't explain why crafty don't find this winning move!
>>>
>>>The others found it by accident, or by a different positional evaluation.
>>>For positions where the answer is not clear, which programs solve it is sort of
>>>a random number function.  The next iteration of the same program may choose a
>>>different move.
>>>
>>>I am not convinced by any answer that does not have an evaluation which shows
>>>that it knows why it picked the move that it did.
>>>
>>>I would be very curious to find a complete list of programs that do solve it
>>>*AND* a comment by the programmer to explain how it was chosen.
>>>
>>>Actually, the list has no value.  We already know what the answer is.  But the
>>>comments would have great value.
>>
>>I agree with you Dann but Junior 6 show a great advantage for white !
>
>I would not be surprised if Junior 6 chose the move for all the right reasons.
>However, a +1 pawn evaluation is hardly convincing.  In fact, I see computers
>think that they are up one pawn in gambits all the time, only do discover they
>are about to get the tar smacked out of themselves.
>
>Since Junior seems to be at or among the strongest computer programs in the
>world at tournament level time controls against other computers, that indicates
>(to me) enormous tactical ability.  Therefore, I suspect that Junior "knows what
>it is doing."
>
>On the other hand, it may be accidental.  We will never know unless Amir cares
>to tell us what is going on with this eval.

What is the expected score?  Free piece or something?

If Junior is evalling Bg5 at +1.0, and other programs are evalling it at 0.0, I
doubt it has much to do with accident.

Dave



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