Author: Mark Ryan
Date: 22:05:11 02/01/00
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On February 02, 2000 at 00:20:15, Aloisio Ponti Lopes wrote: >I really enjoyed playing against Shredder. Nice interface, strong engine. Very >nice boards/pieces collection. As I am rated <2000 ELO, I just can't dream of >beating it, I think; an excellent teacher for my 3 year-old-son! >I like to play Blitz, and Shredder plays it very well, although it's not the >best at Blitz, I think. In general, I like Shreddder's more than Rebel's >GUI(DOS). I just can't imagine how there are people complaining about such a >well-made program. It really makes my CM 5500 looks like a toy. > >I have Hiarcs 7.32 and Fritz 5 (old 16 bit version). ChessBase GUI is really the >best in my opinion. I tryed the demo version of ChessPartner, did not like that >GUI. My next buy: Junior. Version=? (I'm just curious and waiting the result of >that C. Theron- Amir Ban's personal match! ). > >About Genius 6.5: nice program, but the GUI is not what I expected. NIMZO 2000: >nice blitz player, just that. > >My congratulations to Stefan Meyer-Kahlen for such a nice program. I don't think > luck was all that made Shredder the World Champion. Karpov was lucky when >Fischer did not play the match for the FIDE title, but he played many >tournaments since then and won most of them, just like Kasparov is doing >nowadays. I think maybe the problem with Shredder is that it is well-tuned for >tournament play, not for faster play. In the SSDF list we see Shredder 2, but >not Shredder 4. The k6 processor is not the best to use with Shredder, and SSDF >uses K6-450; so for those Shredder results it doesn't seem to be as reliable as >Karpov's wins or Kasparov's wins at tournaments. Rebel is also a very nice >engine and it isn't listed (yes, I know why). I know it is very difficult to >play those matches manually, with so many games, and the AUTO232 protocol seems >to be old and does not run with all the engines. In the years to come, there'll >be more engines. So how reliable will this "rating method" be? >I think playing against IGM is a great way to rate an engine, just what Rebel is >doing very well. That comp-comp rating is in my opinion, inflated and not >reliable. I just can't imagine Anand beating Leko 12 games with the same opening >in double games and inflating his rating! That will _never_ happen! (even a >child would not loose 12 games in the same opening to an engine with the same >moves). >So, this is the way I see the list: > >Engine general strengh (CompxComp): >#1. Tiger 12 (with some future(?) improvements: better book learning) >#2. Junior 6 (one processor) >#3. Shredder 4 >#4. Rebel > >Engine general strengh (against humans): >#1. Rebel >#2. Shredder >#3. Junior 6 > >Blitz: >#1. Nimzo 7.32 >#2. Tiger 12 >#3. Junior 6 > >Endings: >#1. Shredder 4 >#2. Junior 6 > >Tactics: >#1. Fritz 6 >#2. Junior 6 >#3. ChessMaster 7000 > >Strategy: >#1. Rebel-Century >#2. Hiarcs 7.32 >#3. Shredder 4 >------------------------------------------------------------ >A. Ponti .
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