Author: Christophe Theron
Date: 21:56:07 02/02/00
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On February 02, 2000 at 13:16:20, Dan Ellwein wrote:
>On February 02, 2000 at 12:57:35, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>On February 02, 2000 at 05:08:33, Howard Exner wrote:
>>
>>>On February 02, 2000 at 00:43:16, Chessfun wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 01, 2000 at 21:33:36, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On February 01, 2000 at 20:46:35, Chessfun wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On February 01, 2000 at 20:36:28, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On February 01, 2000 at 20:27:01, Chessfun wrote:
>>>>>>>>On February 01, 2000 at 19:30:29, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>On February 01, 2000 at 19:19:58, Côme wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>On February 01, 2000 at 19:09:18, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Junior 6a won 12-8, +8 -4 =8. Games will be posted at
>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.computerschach.de/tourn/cad00.htm
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Next match, Century - Hiarcs 7.32.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Enrique
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Hello Enrique,
>>>>>>>>>>Great Tournament !
>>>>>>>>>>Few months ago CT destroy all this opponent, but now the new king seem to be
>>>>>>>>>>Junior 6a !
>>>>>>>>>>What do you think Enrique?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I suspect that you are reading a lot more into this tournament than is possible.
>>>>>>>>>Junior (by the SSDF) indeed looks very strong. But this tournament was at
>>>>>>>>>fairly short time controls. Hence, the data is not at all commensurate with
>>>>>>>>>SSDF testing [Though I am not sure you implied that].
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>According to both Enrique and Christophe the 40"/40 40"/40 40 as used
>>>>>>>>in this tourney is just as suitable a time control as those used by the
>>>>>>>>SSDF, to measure the strength of a program. Christophe stated 60 game,
>>>>>>>>therefore I am somewhat extracting that he would also see these times
>>>>>>>>the same way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Any time control is suitable to measure the strength of a program. Blitz,
>>>>>>>lightning, Postal (24 Hrs/move or even longer), whatever. But 40 moves in 40
>>>>>>>minutes is a full ply shorter than 40/2. In other words, you are measuring
>>>>>>>different things. It could be especially salient if extensions kick in at some
>>>>>>>point in the analysis.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The point I think I wanted to make, but failed completely to do so, was that a
>>>>>>>1000:0 result at 40/2 and a 0:1000 result at 40/40 could be genuine aritfacts of
>>>>>>>how the programs play (however unlikely).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>People sometimes see a short set of games at some time control very different
>>>>>>>from the SSDF results and imagine that there is a refutation, confirmation or
>>>>>>>otherwise in connection to the SSDF results. In reality, it's none of the
>>>>>>>above. Apples compared to oranges.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It is possible I could also expressed better. The point I was
>>>>>>trying to make was the time control 40"/40 40"/40 40 is far from
>>>>>>-short- and that the results produced at these time controls should
>>>>>>produce results similar to the SSDF results after a similar # of games.
>>>>>>Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I agree with you, Chessfun.
>>>>>
>>>>>More generally, I don't care about the time controls used to test my program. I
>>>>>accept any time control, and if I see that Tiger does not do well at a given
>>>>>time control, I'll work to improve it. Even if it is 1mn/game. Even if it is
>>>>>1mn/game on a 386.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Christophe
>>>>
>>>>I love this attitude...truly :-)
>>>>Thanks.
>>>
>>>Sounds like a true chess player ... Winning is ok but losing is despicable.
>>
>>
>>That's one of my problems. Winning makes me very moderately happy (sometimes,
>>don't laugh, I even feel sorry). But when I lose I feel very very angry.
>>
>>I remember 2 years ago. I was playing a manual blitz game against Fritz2. My
>>program lost stupidly. I got furious. I almost broke my hand by banging it on
>>the nearest wall.
>>
>>I should stop drinking coffee and programming chess. But I love both...
>>
>i have found that a nice, hot cup of tea (english breakfast, perhaps?)... does
>wonders for the soul... - pilgrimdan
I have indeed bought tea, and I'll try to drink that instead.
If you notice in the next month that Tiger does not improve, then you know why.
Christophe
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