Author: Dave Gomboc
Date: 21:56:32 02/02/00
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On February 02, 2000 at 11:29:31, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On February 02, 2000 at 02:16:12, Côme wrote: > >>On February 01, 2000 at 20:43:39, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >> >>>On February 01, 2000 at 16:15:20, Côme wrote: >>> >>>>On February 01, 2000 at 14:34:37, Dann Corbit wrote: >>>> >>>>>On February 01, 2000 at 11:43:54, Côme wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>In this position : >>>>>>[D]r2qkb1r/pp1n1ppp/4n3/1B6/Q7/2N2P2/PP3P1P/R1B1K2R w KQkq - 0 1 >>> >>>00:00 6 (0) 1 -0.19 Bb5xd7 Qd8xd7 Qa4xd7 Ke8xd7 >>>00:00 8 (0) 1 0.46 O-O >>>00:00 112 (0) 2 0.07 O-O Bf8-d6 >>>00:00 597 (0) 3 0.35 O-O a7-a6 Bb5-d3 >>>00:00 1942 (0) 4 0.20 O-O a7-a6 Bb5xd7 Qd8xd7 Qa4xd7 Ke8xd7 Bc1-e3 >>>++ c1-e3 >>>00:00 4093 (0) 4 0.23 Bc1-e3 Ne6-c5 Qa4-d4 a7-a6 >>>00:01 11444 (540) 5 0.29 Bc1-e3 a7-a6 Bb5xd7 Qd8xd7 Qa4xd7 Ke8xd7 Ke1-e2 >>>00:03 34299 (1070) 6 0.02 Bc1-e3 a7-a6 Bb5xd7 Qd8xd7 Qa4xd7 Ke8xd7 O-O-O Bf8-d6 >>>++ c1-f4 >>>00:05 101207 (5754) 6 0.14 Bc1-f4 Ne6-c5 Qa4-c4 a7-a6 Bb5xd7 Qd8xd7 O-O >>>00:07 179795 (6376) 7 -0.11 Bc1-f4 a7-a6 Bb5-e2 Ne6xf4 Qa4xf4 Qd8-b6 Be2-c4 >>>++ c1-e3 >>>00:08 211403 (8694) 7 0.07 Bc1-e3 a7-a6 Bb5-d3 Ne6-c5 Be3xc5 Bf8xc5 O-O >>>++ e1-g1 >>>00:09 242393 (15721) 7 0.15 O-O a7-a6 Bb5-d3 Bf8-e7 Rf1-d1 Ne6-c5 Qa4-g4 Nc5xd3 >>>Rd1xd3 >>>++ c1-g5 >>>00:12 358864 (21763) 7 1.01 Bc1-g5 Bf8-e7 Bg5xe7 Qd8xe7 O-O-O Ra8-d8 Qa4xa7 >>>00:16 492023 (41491) 8 0.54 Bc1-g5 Ne6-c5 Bg5xd8 Nc5xa4 O-O-O Ra8xd8 Rh1-e1 Bf8- >>>e7 Bb5xa4 >>>00:24 873401 (45658) 9 0.38 Bc1-g5 Ne6-c5 Bg5xd8 Nc5xa4 O-O-O Ra8xd8 Rh1-e1 Bf8- >>>e7 Bb5xa4 g7-g5 >>>01:06 2527768 (92156) 10 1.18 Bc1-g5 Bf8-e7 Ra1-d1 Ne6-c5 Qa4-d4 f7-f6 Bg5-e3 a7 >>>-a6 Bb5-c4 b7-b5 >>>02:05 5006663 (399125) 11 1.26 Bc1-g5 Bf8-e7 Ra1-d1 Ne6-c5 Qa4-d4 f7-f6 Bg5-f4 a >>>7-a6 Bb5-c4 Nd7-b6 Qd4-e3 Qd8-c8 > >>>>> >>>>>>After 8 min on my K6 II 350 Crafty 17.07 don't find Bg5!! >>>>>> >>>>>>Junior and Fritz find Bg5!! very quickly. >>>>> >>>>>What were the evals of the programs that found it? >>>>> >>>>>I am wondering if they really saw a win, or made (instead) a positional choice. >>>>> >>>>>Since the tactical payoff is 6 full-moves deep, it seems unlikely that most >>>>>programs will find the tactical reason quickly. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Hello Dann, >>>>After some minutes the eval of Junior 6 is more than +1 on my K6 II 350. >>>>In human point of vue Bg5!! is winning but it is may be true than programs >>>>choose it but not for the right reasons. >>>>Best Regards >>>>Alexandre Côme >> >> >>Hello Vincent, >>Good eval but Diep don't find the strongest line! > >Oh it did make the right move with the right score, >so what do you care? What is strongest >for mankind isn't best for computer usually Besides which, Diep's PV on ply 8 is great. (But why is the score so low?) Dave
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