Author: James T. Walker
Date: 18:31:28 02/03/00
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On February 03, 2000 at 19:14:32, Chessfun wrote: >On February 03, 2000 at 19:00:58, Christophe Theron wrote: > >>On February 03, 2000 at 17:42:59, Chessfun wrote: >> >>>On February 03, 2000 at 14:43:13, James T. Walker wrote: >>> >>>>Yesterday I played Rebel Tiger vs Fritz 5.32 some Bullet/blitz games to try to >>>>get a feel for which is stronger. I admit my format is a little strange but the >>>>results were interesting to me anyway. I only have a PII-333 and a K6-3-450 so >>>>I have to swap the programs for half of the games to be fair. This time I tried >>>>something a little different. I gave the program on the PII-333 3 min/game >>>>while I gave the program on the k6-450 only 2 min/game. The first 110 games >>>>Tiger had the K6-3-450 and Fritz 5.32 had the PII-333. The score of the first >>>>110 games was 60-50 favor Tiger. Of course I changed computers and tried again >>>>for another 110 games. The second score was 59.5-50.5 favor Fritz 5.32. So the >>>>totals were Chess-Tiger 110.5 to Fritz 5.32 109.5. I doubt if anyone wants to >>>>see the 220 games. One more thing, I played Fritz 5.32 without access to it's >>>>endgame CD. I thought it interesting that 50% more time failed to compensate >>>>for the 35% speed advantage. Maybe not enough games? >>>>Anyone care to comment? >>>>Jim Walker >>> >>>Hi Jim. >>> You should try this with H732. I once let it and F532 play >>>1600, one minute games. H732 scored over 1300 !!. >>>I wasn't proud to admit I run these types of games so I never >>>posted the result. It was just after someone here made a statement >>>on playing 1000 one minute games between these two programs. >>> >>>Let H732 try the Tiger....I would be interested in those results. >>> >>>Thanks. >> >> >>Yes, it's interesting. >> >>However, as time controls get faster and faster you must take special care about >>GUI issues. >> >>The Rebel-Tiger GUI, like any GUI, eats a little bit of time on every move. The >>time is used to update the graphical board, update the toolbars, the clocks, >>send an optional sound, and so on. >> >>If it is possible you should disable as many features of the GUI as possible. In >>Rebel-Tiger, that means: >>* turning sounds OFF >>* closing all the windows (leave only the chessboard) >>* close all the toolbars >>* maximize the program >>* set the engine to high priority >>* don't give too much hash tables. In 3mn/game, 4Mb is enough. In 1mn/game, 1Mb >>is enough. >> >>And: don't move the mouse during the games (every time the mouse moves, a lot of >>messages are sent by the Windows system, this takes a lot of time). >> >>In your experiment Hiarcs against Fritz, are you sure the GUI did not handicap >>Fritz? Didn't you give too much hash tables? In very fast games, just 1 tenth of >>second lost per move is a killer. >> >> >> Christophe > > >It is possible hash was set at 4 mb, I ran the match in both >Fritz 5.32 GUI and Hiarcs 7.32 GUI. As for some reason every >250 games or so it stopped. I only noticed these games today >when looking at matches and tourneys to post at my website. >I noticed that ponder was off in both GUI's as the title of the >matches is 1min4poff, this was at a time when pondering on or off >in those interfaces was being talked about, now with F6 it is much >more clear. I ran this months ago but don't remember anything odd >with it, I will check later after current 40'/40 40'/40 40' >tourney is finished. > >Funniest thing I noticed as I went through my databases was >some 30 min matches with I think F5.32 and H7.32 where Hiarcs >won at least 8 games in the same variation. Whenever it had >white they both went at the same opening again and again. >Eventually F5.32 after 8 losses got a draw then they changed >openings again. ************* Hello, Believe me, there was a time last year when Fritz 5.32 was broken in auto232 mode. It's learning feature did not work as black. I for one told Chessbase about it and they fixed it in the June SP I think. It is not broken since then. Jim Walker ************* >I ran these two engines at almost every time control possible >over the last year. As I said in the last post I never mention >the fast fast ones lol. >Thanks.
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