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Subject: Re: Karpov sucks against computers

Author: Ed Schröder

Date: 08:16:18 02/04/00

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On February 04, 2000 at 09:58:54, Djordje Vidanovic wrote:

>On February 03, 2000 at 18:43:00, Ed Schröder wrote:
>
>>On February 03, 2000 at 17:19:22, John Warfield wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I have heard several people claim that karpov would be the best against
>>>computers. I think this is untrue, as karpov barely beat deep thought in 1986,
>>>actually the positional was drawn and deepthought blundered. Another game is the
>>>draw karpov got against a mere micro program schredder. In 1996 Karpov conducted
>>>a simul exhibition at the aegon tournament where fritz4 managed to draw him.
>>>Actually kasparov has a much better record.
>>
>>You are absolutely right about Karpov who can't play computers. A few
>>years ago a kind of Rebel Decade 2.0 version played two 30/all games
>>against Karpov on a poor Pentium-200. Two draws. And in the last game
>>Karpov was rescued by the organizers offering him a draw in a bad
>>position while having very little time on his clock too. The 2 games
>>are somewhere on my pages for those who are interested.
>>
>>Ed
>
>
>Hello,
>
>I believe that you people are very wrong about Karpov's ability to play chess
>--and chess is what we are trying to discuss, be it a match against a computer
>program or a human.  Karpov is obviously not computer chess savvy, but give that
>guy a couple of months and he'd be destroying one chess progam after another at
>tournament levels.  I still marvel at people not realising how much chess
>knowledge a real World Champion at Chess such as Karpov (not Khalifman:)) has at
>his fingertips and how much bellow him (unfortunately) computer programs still
>are at tournament levels.  This said, I do believe that a good program (such as
>Rebel, or Shredder or Fritz or Tiger, etc.) is quite capable of defeating a
>run-of-the-mill GM at blitz or rapid chess in a match, and even putting up one
>hell of resistence at tournament levels.  However, super-super GMs like Karpov,
>Kasparov, Anand, Kramnik or Morozevich are still a cut above the best of
>software, say a good 100 ELO pts, or more, above.
>
>
>***  Djordje

Say Rebel has to play a 6-game match on 40/2h and I have the freedom to
choose the opponent:

Hoffmann
Seirawan
Karpov
Timman

my order would be:

Timman
Karpov
Hoffmann
Seirawan

IMO Rebel would have (a lot) better chances against Karpov than against
Seirawan.

Source of information: having played against them.

ELO is not the connection here, the ability to play computers is. Some
know how to, some don't. Yet....

Ed



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