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Subject: Re: Looks like a win to me (and the analysis you posted supports this)

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 23:10:17 02/04/00

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On February 05, 2000 at 02:03:54, Peter Kappler wrote:
>On February 05, 2000 at 01:19:37, Dann Corbit wrote:
>
>>On February 05, 2000 at 01:08:14, Peter Kappler wrote:
>>
>>>On February 04, 2000 at 20:21:48, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>
>>>>Here is the crafty log after 15 plies have completed.  Of course, the ce score
>>>>is pretty much a bunch of hooey, since it is a draw.
>>>
>>>
>>>Dann,
>>>
>>>This position looks like a win to me.  You're right that White needs to exchange
>>>rooks, but I think it's highly unlikely that this can happen.  Black is very
>>>much in control in this position, and should easily win the two pawns, leading
>>>to a KRNN vs KR endgame, which I think must be a win.
>>>
>>>As for the analysis you posted - I can only assume that you didn't look very
>>>closely at the final variation.
>>
>>Quite so, I only looked at what the other run had produced.  In any case, I
>>won't believe any extrapolation.  It depends completely on how it is played.
>>
>
>Well of course, but this is true of just about any position in chess.  My point
>is that the best analysis we currently have suggests that Black is winning.
>
>Earlier you seemed certain the position was drawn, even calling Crafty's -7
>score "hooey".  Now, a deeper line points towards a win, and you call it an
>"extrapolation"?  What gives?
>>
That was one hour on a PIII 500 MHz.  I wonder if:
1.  It would really play out like that
2.  The correct response would be found at the time control of the contest.
I think it came from Enrique's contest, which is one minute per move.
<<

>>
>>Like I said (somewhere else) it could be a win/loss/draw for either party.
>>
>
>Theoretically, yes.  Practically, no way.
>
>It's essentially impossible for a commercial-quality program to lose that
>position as Black.  For Enrique's purposes, there are only two results worth
>considering: a draw, or a win for Black.

Stranger things have happened.  Especially at fast time controls like that.



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