Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 10:27:36 02/05/00
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On February 05, 2000 at 12:40:24, Amir Ban wrote: >On February 05, 2000 at 12:26:13, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On February 05, 2000 at 12:00:45, Ricardo Gibert wrote: >> >>>Ban left the cct tourney, because Hyatt was censoring him. Actually, he seems, >>>he left 3 minutes after Bob removed him his censor list. So junior will be >>>forfeited and the round re-paired. Everybody is pissed at Ban. >> >> >>Here is what happened: About 3 months ago, Amir directly accused me of writing >>code in crafty that was only there to 'abuse' the opponents. IE playing on in >>dead lost games, moving quickly to run the opponent out of time, etc... >> >>I absolutely do not do that, and I told him so. He kept the claim alive. I >>told him that if he felt like that, then obviously he wouldn't want to play >>a program that is that abusive (if you had seen his history on ICC, you would >>have noticed that 90% of his games were against me, which is hard to understand >>if my program was _so_ abusively written.) I then told him here that I was >>going to +censor him on ICC, that he could play anybody else he wanted. >> >>At 10:45 this morning, I saw him on and told crafty to tell him "I am playing >>a game with diepx, but I will adjourn it right before start time." I then >>discovered that the "censor" was on (I had totally forgotten about it). At >>10:45 (15 minutes before the round started) I disconnected crafty, then logged >>in myself and removed the censor for ban. >> >>I had also censored him but had forgotten about that as well. Apparently >>right around the time I was removing the censor, he logged on and told the >>tournament channel that he wasn't playing until I apologized for the censor on >>CCC. >> >>I'm _not_ apologizing, as _I_ didn't make the outrageous statement that I >>had written crafty specifically to behave in an abusive way. I had planned >>on lifting the censor for the tournament game, and then put it back on, as I >>won't play him with a program he claims is "abusive" until he retracts that >>nonsense. >> >>That is all that I know. I didn't see his tells in 164 as I was logged on as >>Crafty removing the censor. I have no idea what he said, specifically... and >>see no reason to storm off in a huff. He _knows_ why he was censored. And >>even if I had not remembered by 11am, a simple request to the TD could have >>fixed the problem... >> >>That's all there is. What happens next is anybody's guess. It certainly does >>screw up a lot of stuff for a lot of people. > >Much of this is grossly inaccurate, but never mind this now. > >Bob has been censoring me ever since the "snot" post he wrote here. For those >who who don't know what ICC "censor" is, it means you don't play with the >person, and do not agree to hear any message from him either. He's beneath you. > >I've been aware of it of course. Bob did not discover this. I did, 10 minutes >before the game, that the censor is still on. I tried to talk to the TD, but he >was not there. I wrote a message on the tournament channel, that my opponenet is >censoring me, and I'm leaving. I said if he wants to play, he can apologize on >CCC. > >I did not withdraw from the tournament. I clarified this to Bruce later. Bob can >get a point for this game. > >Bob's post is not an apology, as he himself says. It's more in the tone of the >posts that led to this. > >Amir I'll say it one more time, using small words, so this can't be misunderstood: I censored you because you made a direct accusation, here on CCC, that I specifically wrote code in crafty to make it behave in a way that would be considered "abusive". Nothing more, nothing less. The censor was removed well before game time. As is easily verifiable by asking anyone there. I did not remove my +censor ban because I didn't realize I had done it myself, but that was _also_ removed prior to 11am when I discovered it. Nothing magic. Nothing intentional. I was ready to play 15 minutes before the game. I discovered the ban when I told crafty to tell you "I will adjourn the game with diepx prior to start time and will be ready to play at 11." I then saw "you are censoring ban, tell not sent" and fixed it. It was an oversight that was fixed prior to the game. I was going to play that game and then add you right back, since I see no reason for you to want to play a program that is "very abusive to its opponents" (your words). The rest was your decision. I suggested re-pairing the round as I didn't think it made sense for the program leading the event to get an easy point. The majority also wanted to re-pair, although _I_ didn't vote since I was at the center of the mess. End of story...
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