Author: Dave Gomboc
Date: 15:34:39 02/05/00
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On February 05, 2000 at 02:10:17, Dann Corbit wrote: >On February 05, 2000 at 02:03:54, Peter Kappler wrote: >>On February 05, 2000 at 01:19:37, Dann Corbit wrote: >> >>>On February 05, 2000 at 01:08:14, Peter Kappler wrote: >>> >>>>On February 04, 2000 at 20:21:48, Dann Corbit wrote: >>>> >>>>>Here is the crafty log after 15 plies have completed. Of course, the ce score >>>>>is pretty much a bunch of hooey, since it is a draw. >>>> >>>> >>>>Dann, >>>> >>>>This position looks like a win to me. You're right that White needs to exchange >>>>rooks, but I think it's highly unlikely that this can happen. Black is very >>>>much in control in this position, and should easily win the two pawns, leading >>>>to a KRNN vs KR endgame, which I think must be a win. >>>> >>>>As for the analysis you posted - I can only assume that you didn't look very >>>>closely at the final variation. >>> >>>Quite so, I only looked at what the other run had produced. In any case, I >>>won't believe any extrapolation. It depends completely on how it is played. >>> >> >>Well of course, but this is true of just about any position in chess. My point >>is that the best analysis we currently have suggests that Black is winning. >> >>Earlier you seemed certain the position was drawn, even calling Crafty's -7 >>score "hooey". Now, a deeper line points towards a win, and you call it an >>"extrapolation"? What gives? >>> >That was one hour on a PIII 500 MHz. I wonder if: >1. It would really play out like that >2. The correct response would be found at the time control of the contest. >I think it came from Enrique's contest, which is one minute per move. ><< > >>> >>>Like I said (somewhere else) it could be a win/loss/draw for either party. >>> >> >>Theoretically, yes. Practically, no way. >> >>It's essentially impossible for a commercial-quality program to lose that >>position as Black. For Enrique's purposes, there are only two results worth >>considering: a draw, or a win for Black. > >Stranger things have happened. Especially at fast time controls like that. IMO the programs would have to move every few hundredths of a second before the side up two knights for two pawns could conceivably completely blow that position. Dave
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