Author: jonathon smith
Date: 03:10:47 02/06/00
This is a request for information. I posted several posts yesterday. Several of which were censored. I have managed to recover three of the censored postings. I am quite unable to understand why these posts were removed. They seem harmless to me, and certainly far less problematical than many posts I can see in place. The first post is fair comment and an opinion. The second post is fair comment and an opinion. The third post is fair comment and an opinion. The first post contains no personal attacks. The second post contains no personal attacks. The third post contaisn no personal attacks. The first post is no more and no less on or off-topic than the threads in which it appeared. The second post is no more and no less on or off-topic than the threads in which it appeared. The third post is no more and no less on or off-topic than the threads in which it appeared. I consider my postings to be perfectly sensible. It is disconcerting that postings disappear into a black hole for no apparent reason. It is not possible to discuss any point if a certain person vapourises postings at will and for strange reasons all of his own. Subject: Re: Junior forfeits to Crafty! Posted by jonathon on February 05, 2000 at 16:45:29: In Reply to: Re: Junior forfeits to Crafty! </ccc/message.html?95031> posted by öEd Schrder <mailto:rebchess@xs4all.nl> on February 05, 2000 at 16:33:27: On February 05, 2000 at 16:33:27, Ed Schröder wrote: >On February 05, 2000 at 15:30:39, James Robertson wrote: > >>On February 05, 2000 at 15:00:18, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: >> >>>On February 05, 2000 at 13:15:09, James Robertson wrote: >>> >>>>On February 05, 2000 at 12:48:34, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: >>>> >>>>>On February 05, 2000 at 12:38:06, James Robertson wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>Yes, I agree, he will hurt his reputation or intensify it ... whatever way u >>>>>>>look at it >>>>>> >>>>>>He just blew his reputation in my eyes. :( >>>>> >>>>>We have seen angry reactions from many people here, we all have them at times. I >>>>>don't see the great crime that justifies all this lynching. >>>> >>>>Lynching? I don't see any lynching. I see angry and annoyed posts. >>> >>>CCC is suddenly full of posts literally questioning the "honorability" of Amir, >>>claiming that "he lost the little credit" he had, etc. Those are personal >>>attacks, just what CCC is not supposed to tolerate. When this is done by a >>>group, it receives the name of lynching. >> >>"CCC is suddenly full of posts". And how many posts are questioning his >>"honorability"? Two? Three? Some group for a lynching. I think you greatly >>exaggerate. >> >>James > >Just wait till it happens to you. > >And then we speak again. > >Ed > ChrisW said he told you a long time ago that this was the function of this place. But you wouldn't listen. > > >>> >>>You and others may be angry and frustrated, but to me at least this lynching is >>>far more serious than Amir slamming the door and leaving. >>> >>>Enrique >>> >>>>I don't see the great crime that justifies walking out on this tournament, >>>>either. He wasted an hour of all of our time as we tried to figure out what to >>>>do. Yes, his crime justifies a lot of angy posts. >>>> >>>>James >>>> >>>>> >>>>>Enrique >>>>> >>>>>>It seems like such a childish thing to do.... he hurts all the participants, not >>>>>>just Dr. Hyatt. >>>>>> >>>>>>James ======================================================================= Subject: Re: Junior forfeits to Crafty! Posted by jonathon smith on February 05, 2000 at 16:00:58: In Reply to: Re: Junior forfeits to Crafty! </ccc/message.html?95000> posted by Enrique Irazoqui <mailto:irazoqui@teleline.es> on February 05, 2000 at 15:28:43: On February 05, 2000 at 15:28:43, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: >On February 05, 2000 at 13:21:17, jonathon smith wrote: > >>On February 05, 2000 at 12:48:34, Enrique Irazoqui wrote: >> >>>On February 05, 2000 at 12:38:06, James Robertson wrote: >>> >>>>>Yes, I agree, he will hurt his reputation or intensify it ... whatever way u >>>>>look at it >>>> >>>>He just blew his reputation in my eyes. :( >>> >>>We have seen angry reactions from many people here, we all have them at times. I >>>don't see the great crime that justifies all this lynching. >>> >>>Enrique >> >>ChrisW told me > >Who cares... > ChrisW told me he cares. ChrisW told me he is not interested in whether the rest of the world cares or not. ChrisW told me that a wrong act is doubled if justified on the basis of "Who cares..." >> that this comment is hypocritical. Mr Enrique has engaged in a >>ex-legal lynching himself in the case of ChrisW who was 'lynched' from the CCC >>even though he had not posted into the CCC for five months. Mr Enrique was >>contracted to ICD all the time that he was a moderator, even though he kept this >>a secret from everybody. ChrisW told me that this is double-hypocritical. >>Ex-legal lynching and a hidden agenda. >> >>ChrisW told me he didn't see the "great crime that justifies all this lynching". >> >> >> >> >>> >>>>It seems like such a childish thing to do.... he hurts all the participants, not >>>>just Dr. Hyatt. >>>> >>>>James ====================================================================== Subject: Re: Junior forfeits to Crafty! Posted by jonathon smith on February 05, 2000 at 13:59:26: In Reply to: Re: Junior forfeits to Crafty! </ccc/message.html?94959> posted by Robert Hyatt <mailto:hyatt@crafty.cis.uab.edu> on February 05, 2000 at 13:53:25: On February 05, 2000 at 13:53:25, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On February 05, 2000 at 13:32:36, Bruce Moreland wrote: > >> >>On February 05, 2000 at 13:25:08, jonathon smith wrote: >> >>>ChrisW told me that it is allowed to walk out of a tournament if one finds it >>>badly organised, biased, unfair. Nobody has to waste their time and expenses >>>playing after they have been mistreated. >>> >>>If this messes it up for other participants then the tournament organisers >>>should look to themselves for allowing such a piece of mal-organisation to take >>>place. >> >>I don't think you know what you are talking about. The tournament has been run >>fine so far. The pairings have been acceptable and nothing weird had happened. >>The only weird stuff that happened here happened as a result of this current >>problem. >> >>bruce > > >Obviously Chris just wants to get his .02 in. ChrisW told me he saw a pattern. >The "problem" was something well >outside of the tournament organization. This "+censor" issue has been public >knowledge for 3 months. It would have been easy for Amir to say "Hey, I am >paired against Crafty, but apparently Bob has forgotten that he censored me, >can someone talk to him?" IE this wasn't a sudden newsflash at 10:30 this >morning. It has been in place for 90 days or more. Why should Mr Ban have to ask? Dr Hyatt made the censorship. Dr Hyatt was aware he made the censorship. The censorship was in Dr Hyatt's hands. =======================================================================
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