Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 06:35:05 02/06/00
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On February 06, 2000 at 00:34:14, Ed Schröder wrote: >On February 05, 2000 at 20:40:33, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On February 05, 2000 at 17:58:02, Dave Gomboc wrote: >> >>>I read a pile of posts in this quickly-sprouting thread, and I don't remember >>>where the one was that I wanted to reply to, so I'll just reply up top here. >>> >>>The tournament is supposed to be fun, right? I think that if I showed up to >>>operate my computer program for a fun tournament to find my opponent censoring >>>me, I'd feel rather insulted. Leaving is not necessarily an over-reaction. >>> >>>Being censored is a serious thing. During the 1999 WCCC some admin censored me. >>>Apparently they thought they were justified in doing so, but I thought it was >>>complete bullshit. I talked with another admin, who managed to get the first >>>one to calm down. Apparently he was stressed out, whatever. I did watch the >>>remainder of the WCCC, but I never again felt comfortable as a user on ICC. >>>Even though I had paid the student rate, and could have faxed in a copy of my >>>student ID to get the remaining seven months, I chose to let my membership >>>expire. I didn't want anything further to do with ICC. >> >> >> >>aha.. you get _my_ feeling here exactly. IE _I_ was accused of writing a >>program and adding code to make it behave in an abusive way. I didn't want >>anything further to do with the person making that accusation, nor his >>program. Hence +censor and I didn't have anything further to do with him. >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>>I think a lot of you are hacking on Amir unjustly. Apparently it was the TD's >>>(IMO incorrect) decision to re-pair the round that caused a big delay. They >>>should have continued with the round, and the TD could worry about what to do >>>with Crafty-Junior after contacting the authors (forfeit, late start with >>>reduced time controls, whatever). Fact is, the pairings were known a week in >>>advance, and Bob had plenty of time to uncensor Amir. But uncensoring really >>>should have been done last weekend, by the time that the first round of the >>>tournament started. Bob says he forgot about the censoring: fine, we all forget >>>things sometimes. But to you, the reader, please don't forget that this is not >>>a simple "Amir bad!" situation. >> >>I think that the re-pair was a right decision. It wasn't clear at the time >>that Junior would continue to participate. It also seemed wrong for the program >>leading the tournament to get a free point. >> >>I should have remembered to uncensor him. I didn't. I'll bet he had forgotten >>about the censor also until this morning. But in any case, it _was_ fixed >>at least 10 minutes prior to game-time. > >You are part of the trouble too Bob. You knew one week on beforehand you >were going to play Amir. > >Ed And I was ready to play him at the appointed time. your point would be? I have an obligation as to when I must uncensor someone? The only deadline I see was 11am for the game. Not the previous week, or the previous month, or whatever. I was obligated to play a game vs junior at 11am. I was there, ready to play, with no +censor ban in effect. My opponent, on the other hand.... So don't try to make this into something that is _my_ responsibility. It wasn't. Had he showed up at 11am, the game would have gone off without a hitch. He created the "hitch" himself. If he feels "insulted", that's good. I felt insulted when he directly stated that I programmed crafty to sit and run out of time, rather than making a move that let my opponent mate me. I avoid people that make such insults. I believe that is my _right_. > > >> >> >>> >>>Dave
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