Author: Ed Schröder
Date: 07:09:22 02/06/00
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On February 06, 2000 at 09:35:05, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On February 06, 2000 at 00:34:14, Ed Schröder wrote: > >>On February 05, 2000 at 20:40:33, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On February 05, 2000 at 17:58:02, Dave Gomboc wrote: >>> >>>>I read a pile of posts in this quickly-sprouting thread, and I don't remember >>>>where the one was that I wanted to reply to, so I'll just reply up top here. >>>> >>>>The tournament is supposed to be fun, right? I think that if I showed up to >>>>operate my computer program for a fun tournament to find my opponent censoring >>>>me, I'd feel rather insulted. Leaving is not necessarily an over-reaction. >>>> >>>>Being censored is a serious thing. During the 1999 WCCC some admin censored me. >>>>Apparently they thought they were justified in doing so, but I thought it was >>>>complete bullshit. I talked with another admin, who managed to get the first >>>>one to calm down. Apparently he was stressed out, whatever. I did watch the >>>>remainder of the WCCC, but I never again felt comfortable as a user on ICC. >>>>Even though I had paid the student rate, and could have faxed in a copy of my >>>>student ID to get the remaining seven months, I chose to let my membership >>>>expire. I didn't want anything further to do with ICC. >>> >>> >>> >>>aha.. you get _my_ feeling here exactly. IE _I_ was accused of writing a >>>program and adding code to make it behave in an abusive way. I didn't want >>>anything further to do with the person making that accusation, nor his >>>program. Hence +censor and I didn't have anything further to do with him. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>>I think a lot of you are hacking on Amir unjustly. Apparently it was the TD's >>>>(IMO incorrect) decision to re-pair the round that caused a big delay. They >>>>should have continued with the round, and the TD could worry about what to do >>>>with Crafty-Junior after contacting the authors (forfeit, late start with >>>>reduced time controls, whatever). Fact is, the pairings were known a week in >>>>advance, and Bob had plenty of time to uncensor Amir. But uncensoring really >>>>should have been done last weekend, by the time that the first round of the >>>>tournament started. Bob says he forgot about the censoring: fine, we all forget >>>>things sometimes. But to you, the reader, please don't forget that this is not >>>>a simple "Amir bad!" situation. >>> >>>I think that the re-pair was a right decision. It wasn't clear at the time >>>that Junior would continue to participate. It also seemed wrong for the program >>>leading the tournament to get a free point. >>> >>>I should have remembered to uncensor him. I didn't. I'll bet he had forgotten >>>about the censor also until this morning. But in any case, it _was_ fixed >>>at least 10 minutes prior to game-time. >> >>You are part of the trouble too Bob. You knew one week on beforehand you >>were going to play Amir. >> >>Ed > >And I was ready to play him at the appointed time. your point would be? I >have an obligation as to when I must uncensor someone? The only deadline I >see was 11am for the game. Not the previous week, or the previous month, or >whatever. > >I was obligated to play a game vs junior at 11am. I was there, ready to play, >with no +censor ban in effect. My opponent, on the other hand.... > >So don't try to make this into something that is _my_ responsibility. It >wasn't. Had he showed up at 11am, the game would have gone off without a >hitch. He created the "hitch" himself. >If he feels "insulted", that's good. Now I understand :( Ed >I felt insulted when he directly >stated that I programmed crafty to sit and run out of time, rather than making >a move that let my opponent mate me. I avoid people that make such insults. >I believe that is my _right_. > > > >> >> >>> >>> >>>> >>>>Dave
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