Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 07:33:03 02/06/00
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On February 06, 2000 at 10:09:22, Ed Schröder wrote: >On February 06, 2000 at 09:35:05, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On February 06, 2000 at 00:34:14, Ed Schröder wrote: >> >>>On February 05, 2000 at 20:40:33, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On February 05, 2000 at 17:58:02, Dave Gomboc wrote: >>>> >>>>>I read a pile of posts in this quickly-sprouting thread, and I don't remember >>>>>where the one was that I wanted to reply to, so I'll just reply up top here. >>>>> >>>>>The tournament is supposed to be fun, right? I think that if I showed up to >>>>>operate my computer program for a fun tournament to find my opponent censoring >>>>>me, I'd feel rather insulted. Leaving is not necessarily an over-reaction. >>>>> >>>>>Being censored is a serious thing. During the 1999 WCCC some admin censored me. >>>>>Apparently they thought they were justified in doing so, but I thought it was >>>>>complete bullshit. I talked with another admin, who managed to get the first >>>>>one to calm down. Apparently he was stressed out, whatever. I did watch the >>>>>remainder of the WCCC, but I never again felt comfortable as a user on ICC. >>>>>Even though I had paid the student rate, and could have faxed in a copy of my >>>>>student ID to get the remaining seven months, I chose to let my membership >>>>>expire. I didn't want anything further to do with ICC. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>aha.. you get _my_ feeling here exactly. IE _I_ was accused of writing a >>>>program and adding code to make it behave in an abusive way. I didn't want >>>>anything further to do with the person making that accusation, nor his >>>>program. Hence +censor and I didn't have anything further to do with him. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>I think a lot of you are hacking on Amir unjustly. Apparently it was the TD's >>>>>(IMO incorrect) decision to re-pair the round that caused a big delay. They >>>>>should have continued with the round, and the TD could worry about what to do >>>>>with Crafty-Junior after contacting the authors (forfeit, late start with >>>>>reduced time controls, whatever). Fact is, the pairings were known a week in >>>>>advance, and Bob had plenty of time to uncensor Amir. But uncensoring really >>>>>should have been done last weekend, by the time that the first round of the >>>>>tournament started. Bob says he forgot about the censoring: fine, we all forget >>>>>things sometimes. But to you, the reader, please don't forget that this is not >>>>>a simple "Amir bad!" situation. >>>> >>>>I think that the re-pair was a right decision. It wasn't clear at the time >>>>that Junior would continue to participate. It also seemed wrong for the program >>>>leading the tournament to get a free point. >>>> >>>>I should have remembered to uncensor him. I didn't. I'll bet he had forgotten >>>>about the censor also until this morning. But in any case, it _was_ fixed >>>>at least 10 minutes prior to game-time. >>> >>>You are part of the trouble too Bob. You knew one week on beforehand you >>>were going to play Amir. >>> >>>Ed >> >>And I was ready to play him at the appointed time. your point would be? I >>have an obligation as to when I must uncensor someone? The only deadline I >>see was 11am for the game. Not the previous week, or the previous month, or >>whatever. >> >>I was obligated to play a game vs junior at 11am. I was there, ready to play, >>with no +censor ban in effect. My opponent, on the other hand.... >> >>So don't try to make this into something that is _my_ responsibility. It >>wasn't. Had he showed up at 11am, the game would have gone off without a >>hitch. He created the "hitch" himself. > >>If he feels "insulted", that's good. > >Now I understand :( > >Ed Did you read the most important part of this post? (Hint: it follows your comment, and this response of mine.) I don't see much sense in dealing with someone that is intentionally insulting and who knowingly lies when he does so. Confucious says: "He who gets hit and turns the other cheek, gets a second black eye..." If I don't play him with crafty (except in a tournament with a forced pairing as we had yesterday), and if I don't interact with him on the servers, then there is little ground for him to insult on. Wouldn't you agree? There is a time to talk, and a time to walk. I used +censor to "walk" and stop all the "talking". It worked. > > >>I felt insulted when he directly >>stated that I programmed crafty to sit and run out of time, rather than making >>a move that let my opponent mate me. I avoid people that make such insults. >>I believe that is my _right_. >> >> >> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>Dave
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