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Subject: Re: Junior forfeits to Crafty!

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 07:33:03 02/06/00

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On February 06, 2000 at 10:09:22, Ed Schröder wrote:

>On February 06, 2000 at 09:35:05, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On February 06, 2000 at 00:34:14, Ed Schröder wrote:
>>
>>>On February 05, 2000 at 20:40:33, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 05, 2000 at 17:58:02, Dave Gomboc wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I read a pile of posts in this quickly-sprouting thread, and I don't remember
>>>>>where the one was that I wanted to reply to, so I'll just reply up top here.
>>>>>
>>>>>The tournament is supposed to be fun, right?  I think that if I showed up to
>>>>>operate my computer program for a fun tournament to find my opponent censoring
>>>>>me, I'd feel rather insulted.  Leaving is not necessarily an over-reaction.
>>>>>
>>>>>Being censored is a serious thing.  During the 1999 WCCC some admin censored me.
>>>>>Apparently they thought they were justified in doing so, but I thought it was
>>>>>complete bullshit.  I talked with another admin, who managed to get the first
>>>>>one to calm down.  Apparently he was stressed out, whatever.  I did watch the
>>>>>remainder of the WCCC, but I never again felt comfortable as a user on ICC.
>>>>>Even though I had paid the student rate, and could have faxed in a copy of my
>>>>>student ID to get the remaining seven months, I chose to let my membership
>>>>>expire.  I didn't want anything further to do with ICC.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>aha.. you get _my_ feeling here exactly.  IE _I_ was accused of writing a
>>>>program and adding code to make it behave in an abusive way.  I didn't want
>>>>anything further to do with the person making that accusation, nor his
>>>>program.  Hence +censor and I didn't have anything further to do with him.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I think a lot of you are hacking on Amir unjustly.  Apparently it was the TD's
>>>>>(IMO incorrect) decision to re-pair the round that caused a big delay.  They
>>>>>should have continued with the round, and the TD could worry about what to do
>>>>>with Crafty-Junior after contacting the authors (forfeit, late start with
>>>>>reduced time controls, whatever).  Fact is, the pairings were known a week in
>>>>>advance, and Bob had plenty of time to uncensor Amir.  But uncensoring really
>>>>>should have been done last weekend, by the time that the first round of the
>>>>>tournament started.  Bob says he forgot about the censoring: fine, we all forget
>>>>>things sometimes.  But to you, the reader, please don't forget that this is not
>>>>>a simple "Amir bad!" situation.
>>>>
>>>>I think that the re-pair was a right decision.  It wasn't clear at the time
>>>>that Junior would continue to participate.  It also seemed wrong for the program
>>>>leading the tournament to get a free point.
>>>>
>>>>I should have remembered to uncensor him.  I didn't.  I'll bet he had forgotten
>>>>about the censor also until this morning.  But in any case, it _was_ fixed
>>>>at least 10 minutes prior to game-time.
>>>
>>>You are part of the trouble too Bob. You knew one week on beforehand you
>>>were going to play Amir.
>>>
>>>Ed
>>
>>And I was ready to play him at the appointed time.  your point would be?  I
>>have an obligation as to when I must uncensor someone?  The only deadline I
>>see was 11am for the game.  Not the previous week, or the previous month, or
>>whatever.
>>
>>I was obligated to play a game vs junior at 11am.  I was there, ready to play,
>>with no +censor ban in effect.  My opponent, on the other hand....
>>
>>So don't try to make this into something that is _my_ responsibility.  It
>>wasn't.  Had he showed up at 11am, the game would have gone off without a
>>hitch.  He created the "hitch" himself.
>
>>If he feels "insulted", that's good.
>
>Now I understand :(
>
>Ed


Did you read the most important part of this post?  (Hint:  it follows your
comment, and this response of mine.)  I don't see much sense in dealing with
someone that is intentionally insulting and who knowingly lies when he does
so.

Confucious says:  "He who gets hit and turns the other cheek, gets a second
black eye..."

If I don't play him with crafty (except in a tournament with a forced pairing
as we had yesterday), and if I don't interact with him on the servers, then
there is little ground for him to insult on.  Wouldn't you agree?  There is a
time to talk, and a time to walk.  I used +censor to "walk" and stop all the
"talking".  It worked.




>
>
>>I felt insulted when he directly
>>stated that I programmed crafty to sit and run out of time, rather than making
>>a move that let my opponent mate me.  I avoid people that make such insults.
>>I believe that is my _right_.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Dave



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