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Subject: Re: Embarrassment

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 11:26:36 02/06/00

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On February 06, 2000 at 12:09:54, Dave Gomboc wrote:

>On February 06, 2000 at 09:26:21, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On February 06, 2000 at 02:40:34, Dave Gomboc wrote:
>>
>>>On February 06, 2000 at 02:20:32, Andrew Dados wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 06, 2000 at 01:21:23, Ed Schröder wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On February 05, 2000 at 23:26:55, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On February 05, 2000 at 21:06:15, Peter Kasinski wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I think that Bob made an unfortunate oversight by not straightening this
>>>>>>>"censor" business in time for the tournament (i.e. he was late days not
>>>>>>>minutes).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There I disagree.  The "censor" was for a purpose.  The "reason" didn't
>>>>>>disappear "days before the tournament".  The "censor" will stand _after_
>>>>>>the tournament.  I don't take accusations of misconduct lightly, now, back
>>>>>>three months ago, nor will I take them lightly in the future.
>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't censor to disrupt a tournament.
>>>>>
>>>>>You managed anyway. The censor was there while it should have not.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ed
>>>>>
>>>>>>I censor to show that I strongly disagree
>>>>>>with the person that made the accusation.  I think it funny that _I_ was
>>>>>>wrong for censoring him, but he doesn't think he was wrong when he made
>>>>>>about the most idiotic statement ever made here (and directed toward me.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>After witnessing today's claims/counter-claims/etc, I only wish we had a
>>>>>>'+censor' option for CCC.  I would exercise _that_ as well.  :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And that?s regardless of its genesis. I understand how Amir must have
>>>>>>>felt. Unfortunately, for all his contribution to computer chess (who else is
>>>>>>>there? ) Bob isn?t exactly a sweetheart at times.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>But what?s really disturbing is a bunch of postings here from adolescent would
>>>>>>>be moderators trying to give either one of them lessons in good manners.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>PK
>>>>
>>>>IMO TDs (Tourney Directors) are there just for that - to take care of forgotten
>>>>censors,noplays, etc. I have the freedom and right to censor for whatever reason
>>>>I feel like. You can't blame me for taking care of my comfortability...
>>>>
>>>>-Andrew-
>>>
>>>Yes, I can.  What someone does on their own time is their own business, but this
>>>was a public event.  As much as it was possible for the people involved, the
>>>personal stuff should have been checked at the door.
>>>
>>>When I direct a chess tournament, I don't remind every person to behave
>>>themselves as I collect their entry fee, or at the beginning of each round.
>>>
>>>Dave
>>
>>
>>Explain to me the relevance of the above.  The censor was removed, _without_
>>a TD's reminder.  It was removed _prior_ to the announced start-time for the
>>round.  And as a TD, I _DO_ make sure that each round gets underway at the
>>announced time.  I certainly didn't prevent that from happening.
>
>The relevence is that the animosity between two of the computer programmers
>caused a disturbance to the tournament.  That post did not attempt to deal with
>specific claims of action/inaction/counteraction/etc.
>
>Dave


No it didn't.  I used +censor 3 months ago to stifle an argument, totally.  I
had _zero_ animosity at the start of round 5 yesterday.  Had Amir waited for
5 minutes, there would have been no problem.  Had they showed up right at 11am
as they did for todays game, the problem would have been fixed by 11:01.  The
problem was _minor_.  Minor problems happen all the time.  Today we had a
machine with a bad power supply.  The game delay-started to give time to fix
it.  That _could_ have happened yesterday...  although no delay was needed as
I was ready to play at 10:50 CST.  10 minutes prior to the start of the round.

Today I was ready at 11:00am.  Ban was "closed" and refused challenges for a
couple of minutes.  I wasn't offended _at all_.  I merely waited for him to
get ready to play.  That _could_ have happened yesterday...




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