Author: blass uri
Date: 10:30:06 02/07/00
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On February 07, 2000 at 12:20:01, jonathon smith wrote: >>I know that programmers talk with chess players. >>I know that Amir ban talked with grandmasters. >>Do Chris think that the grandmasters have no idea to explain him the problems in >>the evaluation function of Junior? > >ChrisW says he have no idea about Mr Ban. He never tried to work him out. If he >is a "typical chess programmer" (which is defined further on), then he and a GM >will find it difficult to communicate because they are on very different levels, >and few GM's have put their thoughts into words. Fewer still into words that are >machine-programmable. > >Better is if the programmer himself is a strong player. The ideas can flow as >pictures in the head, no need for word translation. > >> >>I am sure that Amir knows about many problems in the evaluation function of >>Junior(I told him about some problems that he did not fix). >>I guess that the reason that he did not fix them is not that he has no idea but >>because it is not easy to explain the computer everything that you know. > >ChrisW told me that since he didn't fix the under-promotion bug for some time >(did he ever?), then it was always going to be unlikely that deeper issues were >ever going to be resolved. Amir fixed the underpromotion bug in Junior6 but there are other cases when Junior is blind about tactics that he did not fix(I told him about them some monthes ago) I told him about positional problems of Junior but he did not fix most of the problems that I told him and I believe that he understood the problems I believe that he is intelligent enough to understand everything that I explained him about chess. > >> >>It is also possible that he found that giving Junior more knowledge is going to >>do it weaker in games because the speed of the search is also important. >>I do not believe that you can learn from the fact that programs have no idea >>that the programmers have no idea. >> > >ChrisW told me you can learn from mnay small things. No self-respecting chess >player could possibly allow his own silicon creation to play with such holes in >it, if he knew what the holes were. > > >> >>I know that Robert hyatt also talked with grandmasters and that he is not a weak >>player relative to most of the programmers. > >ChrisW says Dr Hyatt is a very weak player relative to chess players. > >>What is the minimal rating that a programmer need by chris's opinion to be a >>chess player? > >ChrisW told me that the crucial boundary to pass is that of thinking that chess >is tactics. A not chess player who is better in tactics can win a chess player by this definition. Uri
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