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Subject: Re: The trouble with the society we build

Author: Thorsten Czub

Date: 16:40:57 02/07/00

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On February 07, 2000 at 17:47:07, KarinsDad wrote:

>You are entitled to your opinion.
>
>But one point: Chris has repeatedly called me a liar about my chess program and
>my techniques which on the surface sounds extremely similar to his.


has he, really. i don't remember.
you make a mistake. you do not differenciate between people and words.
words and discussions have the reason to
attack each other. people should not attack each other.

so when people call each other assholes or liars or whatever evil thing,
you should not take this personal, since the words criticize a point of view,
but not the fact that the other guy is a human beeing.

e.g. i am often named that i am against chessbase or frederic friedel.
this is not true if you name it that shallow.

i am and was against how chessbase operates, how their methods are,
and how frederic uses his intelligence and power he has with
his computer-schach and spiele to misinform the people and to manipulate.
so i am not against the people. not against the company itself.
but against the methods !
this is IMO a big difference.

when i see frederic i don't have to kill him. or when i say chessbase
doing something right (from my point of view) i don't have to attack them.
only if they do something that is against my point of view.
than i would have to "bite".
if no somebody identifies much with what he says and does all day long,
it can happen of course that he feels personally insulted by me.
so the problem is that he does not differenciate between words and actions
of people and the people themselves.

frederic e.g. could come and ask me: what do you have against me ?
what do do you have against my company, against my magazin ?

and this because he identifies with his things.

but if he would not misuse his magazine , and if chessbase would be fairer
towards their concurrent-companies, i would not attack them.

if bill gates would not like to kill all other companies , and work out
mafia-methods, i would not call him bad words.

but - the person bill gates, i have no idea if he is nice or not.
i don't care. i do attack what he says and what his actions are.
not him as a person.


> Why is this?

ask him ! i have no idea.


>If anyone is against the ideas of others, it is Chris. Even (or maybe
>especially) when those ideas are similar to his own.

you seem to mix up having a different point of view and beeing against
YOU.
i do often have a different point of view than chris, but i am not against
chris. you see the difference.


>It is easy to shout that one is persecuted and that there are in and out crowds,
>but it is hard to make people believe it when at the same time, one persecutes
>others.

right. but why do so many people take anything personal.

when i say something against coca-cola or mc_donalds, do i really say something
against bruce moreland ????? isn't bruce moreland so much more
(for computerchess) than coca-cola ? or mc_donalds ?
i thought he is. and i thought he would understand that this is not against
him.


>Food for thought.

yes.


>KarinsDad :)



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