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Subject: Re: Moderation: Can the moderators be trusted to REALLY ban someone?

Author: Bruce Moreland

Date: 22:37:51 02/07/00

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On February 08, 2000 at 00:37:06, Roger wrote:

>When I originally proposed it, Bruce, you pointed out that only two people have
>ever been banned, Sean and ChrisW. The infrequency of the banning was your
>argument why it should be handled by the moderators. But that argument cuts both
>ways. The infrequency of it is why it can also be handled by the people.

More people than this have been banned.  And you should see the email we get
asking or demanding that we ban various people.

>The facts are that ChrisW has now given us empirical evidence that letting the
>moderators handle it DID NOT WORK.

There are bumpy spots now and then, especially when this crap happens on
weekends.

>You and Dann and Karinsdad have done a great job moderating, there's no doubt
>about it. On the issue of ChrisW, however, the three of you have been
>wishy-washy. This is the only thing that turns and A+ job into an A-, in my
>opinion. So we need to take a look at this and figure out why ChrisW is
>consistenly able to invade our forum, when we supposedly have a mechanism in
>place to stop him, the Moderators.
>
>You mentioned criteria for decision-making. No one knows by what criteria Chris
>has been able to manipulate our forum, and it is rediculous that he has been
>able to do so. If Chris had been banned by the people, the moderators would KNOW
>absolutely that their job was simply to STOP this nonsense in its tracks, and
>Chris would know that he is unwanted by consensus, not by political maneuver. As
>it was, the moderators ALLOWED this to go on. That was rediculous.

I have a lot more sympathy now for people whose every action is exposed to
public criticism.  Everyone thinks they can do better, or at least that they can
create a better system.  Perhaps you could run for moderator next time, on the
platform that you'll open everything up for public discussion.

I'm sorry, but what you are proposing would be soundly rejected if it *did* come
up for serious public discussion.  That is because most people do not like to
see this group full of moderation threads, including this one.

bruce



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