Author: Terry Presgrove
Date: 23:55:49 02/07/00
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On February 08, 2000 at 01:37:51, Bruce Moreland wrote: >On February 08, 2000 at 00:37:06, Roger wrote: > >>When I originally proposed it, Bruce, you pointed out that only two people have >>ever been banned, Sean and ChrisW. The infrequency of the banning was your >>argument why it should be handled by the moderators. But that argument cuts both >>ways. The infrequency of it is why it can also be handled by the people. > >More people than this have been banned. And you should see the email we get >asking or demanding that we ban various people. > >>The facts are that ChrisW has now given us empirical evidence that letting the >>moderators handle it DID NOT WORK. > >There are bumpy spots now and then, especially when this crap happens on >weekends. > >>You and Dann and Karinsdad have done a great job moderating, there's no doubt >>about it. On the issue of ChrisW, however, the three of you have been >>wishy-washy. This is the only thing that turns and A+ job into an A-, in my >>opinion. So we need to take a look at this and figure out why ChrisW is >>consistenly able to invade our forum, when we supposedly have a mechanism in >>place to stop him, the Moderators. >> >>You mentioned criteria for decision-making. No one knows by what criteria Chris >>has been able to manipulate our forum, and it is rediculous that he has been >>able to do so. If Chris had been banned by the people, the moderators would KNOW >>absolutely that their job was simply to STOP this nonsense in its tracks, and >>Chris would know that he is unwanted by consensus, not by political maneuver. As >>it was, the moderators ALLOWED this to go on. That was rediculous. > >I have a lot more sympathy now for people whose every action is exposed to >public criticism. Everyone thinks they can do better, or at least that they can >create a better system. Perhaps you could run for moderator next time, on the >platform that you'll open everything up for public discussion. > >I'm sorry, but what you are proposing would be soundly rejected if it *did* come >up for serious public discussion. That is because most people do not like to >see this group full of moderation threads, including this one. > >bruce We have a democratic process at work new moderators will be elected and they will represent the body (CCC) as best they can. It is not practical for any large body to vote on banning! You would have to notify everyone that there would be a vote ahead of time and this would lead to chaos. People taking sides and general anarchy. I've been in this forum for several years and have not seen anyone banned that didn't need to be. This forum has been a haven for me through some pretty trying times in my personal life and I would hate to see it torn apart by anyone or any group of individuals for that matter. Common sense should prevail on this subject. Most everyone agrees it must remain a moderated forum and if this be so then the moderators must be the ones to deal with the banning issue! I am not in any click nor have I always agreed with the moderators, but overall they have done a damn good job, and if anyone thinks differently then all I can say is pitch your hat in the ring next time and get a little dose of this damn near impossible task yourself! It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why they can't ban someone even if they suspect their someone that has already been banned. There is always going to be friction, in any democratic public forum there is no getting around it, but the Moderators will do their best to keep out the blatant offenders and delete the personal attacking and obscene posts. However the moderators cannot wave a magic wand and make everyone feel good about everything that is written here nor can they defend every member who gets his/her feelings hurt. The moderators are not omniscient, omnipotent nor omnipresent, as some here seem to think. Their just three guys trying to do a job the best they know how. Enough is enough there will soon be a new group of moderators ......let's give this one a rest. TP
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