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Subject: Re: Games 11-20/20 Tal 2.03-Shredder 4

Author: Thorsten Czub

Date: 06:04:14 02/09/00

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On February 09, 2000 at 06:36:11, blass uri wrote:

>On February 09, 2000 at 04:14:32, Jouni Uski wrote:
>
>>Isn't simple Shredder so much better even with slower hardware :-)
>
>It is not so simple because the first 10 games were 5:5
>and the question is what is wrong with the next 10 games.
>
>Uri

The effect you see is the autoplayer-effect i have seen in the
dos-times. i am a little bit astonished that the effect
also happens in the windows versions of cstal.

if you would play more game, you would find out that cstal
is not even able to win any single game in the following next
20 games. and no matter if you
switch learning ON or OFF in the opponent machine, this does not change.

i have no idea what this is.
in the old dos times i thought : the autoplayer somehow overwrites
memory of cstal-dos.

since these strange series repeats even with/in windows, i have no explanation.
the only explanation i would have is the problem
is a bug in cstal that overwrites important data.

whatever. the results do not happen when you make a cold-boot after
each game and play manually.

so i guess it's a "bug" that comes in the system due to autoplaying.


When i hear Ed say, he has seen similar kind of autoplayer-behaviour
with rebel-century and the dos-autoplayer, i thought: oh - ed has the same
strange behaviour we have seen with our dos-autoplayer too.
and ed claims also mchess has had these effects.

so - whatever you imagine happens: i do not believe in long series
of autoplayer matches. there is this tendency i cannot explain,
that does not happen when you play manually games, that the program
gets weaker and weaker.
the effect is very heavy.
when you have e.g. 50% or 60 or 70% in the first 10 games,
you get 20 % and going weaker in the next 10 games.

i have no idea how this works.
the results when playing manually are comletely different.

so i have stopped playing autoplayer-matches of more than 1 game.



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