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Subject: Re: Athlon 1,1GHz

Author: Wayne Lowrance

Date: 08:31:33 02/12/00

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On February 10, 2000 at 23:27:52, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On February 10, 2000 at 22:08:55, Tom Kerrigan wrote:
>
>>On February 10, 2000 at 18:11:25, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>The basic clock frequency for a chip comes from adding up gate delays in a
>>>path from X to Y inside the chip.  If you go too fast, you latch data before
>>>it settles.  If you go too slow, you just go too slow.  If you ramp up the
>>>clock beyond spec, you _must_ do something to speed up the gate delays.  One
>>>way is to up Vcc.  That ups the heat.  Which kills the chip lifetime.  You
>>>can do various tricks to conduct the heat away (ie kryo approach).  But no
>>>matter what you do, you can't make the gates function much faster.  In some
>>
>>This is not correct.
>>
>>Gates function faster at lower temperatures.
>>
>>As I said in a previous post, I wouldn't be surprised if a 1GHz Athlon @ -40C is
>>more stable than a 750MHz Athlon @ 100C.
>>
>>-Tom
>
>
>The physics don't support you there.  IE gates don't function faster at
>absolute zero, but the resistance goes to zero.  I know of no physics law
>that says electrical signals propagate faster at lower temperatures...
>
>Of course, you can ramp up the voltage to make them switch faster, and you
>can make them smaller, because cooler temperatures combat the heat rise for
>smaller junctions.  But I sure don't see why they would switch faster.  If
>they did, Cray would have run his stuff at really cold temperatures since he
>was speed-centric...

Your partially correct. at these frequencies a piece of copper conductor, even
exgtremely short connections has the equivalent circuit of a transmission line.
Shorter means less intrinsic reactances and R and faster response to a step
function input with less delay.
Wayne




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