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Subject: Re: More Bronstein and a little Fischer

Author: stuart taylor

Date: 17:23:48 02/12/00

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On February 11, 2000 at 09:41:28, Pete Galati wrote:

>On February 11, 2000 at 06:12:45, stuart taylor wrote:
>
>>On February 10, 2000 at 22:44:48, Pete Galati wrote:
>>
>>>On February 10, 2000 at 22:35:08, stuart taylor wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 10, 2000 at 16:55:44, Pete Galati wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On February 10, 2000 at 16:35:20, C Morris wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Bronstein seemed to be saying that Chess was for everyone. He was trying to get
>>>>>>the point over by pointing to the attitude of grandmasters like Botvinnik, who,
>>>>>>to paraphrase Bronstein in "The Sorcerer's Apprentice", thought only they knew
>>>>>>how to move a knight, push a pawn, etc. I like Bobby Fisher's attitude when he
>>>>>>said, he only "believes in good moves." I just like good moves whether or not
>>>>>>they come from Junior or Kasparov or a class player. I have no problems with the
>>>>>>idea shared by more than a few grandmasters, that someday a computer will be
>>>>>>world champion. This does not threaten anything. Just my opinion.
>>>>>
>>>>>If there are Grandmasters that think a program will become world champion then
>>>>>they don't have a very clear idea what they're talking about.  The game of Chess
>>>>>itself is between 2 people.
>>>>>
>>>>>Once a program enters the picture, that's a different story.  Having a human
>>>>>Chess world champion and having a computer Chess world champion are 2 different
>>>>>things completely.
>>>>>
>>>>>Pete
>>>>
>>>>  Dosen't world champion mean best player? Atleast isn't that what such a
>>>>grandmaster(or any person) would be meaning to infer?
>>>>   S.Taylor.
>>>
>>>Second question isn't very clear, and they appear to be linked together too
>>>closely to answer the first question.
>>>
>>>Pete
>>
>>Second question was refering to what you wrote.
>>But at any rate, can't Best chess-playing entity be man or machine?
>>S.Taylor
>
>No.  The best living Chess player has to be a man or woman.  The best machine
>Chess player could be anything machine.  I'm not saying that a computer won't
>someday being significantly stronger than any human, it seems like we're very
>close to that happening now.  But the point of the game is to play Chess against
>other Chess players, not against a computer, that's why there's a distinction.
>
>See Dave's response and also Karinsdad's response, I like the perspective that
>they both give.
>
>Pete

OK! I wasn't arguing about that. S.Taylor



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