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Subject: Re: Uninteresting Position

Author: Andrew Carey

Date: 05:44:31 02/13/00

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On February 13, 2000 at 06:58:08, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:

>Yesterday I found this 1965 study of Hasek, perfect for a "secret" test set, but
>too beautiful to keep it hiding. I find amazing how the g pawn wins the game and
>also the traveling of black's king to its original e8 square, as if in aeternal
>return.
>
>Of the engines I tried, Nimzo is the fastest in finding 1.b6+ in 44'', followed
>by Hiarcs 8 pre-alpha in 275'', F6a in 432'', and J6a in 554''. Other programs I
>tried didn't solve it in less than 15 minutes on a PIII-500. Enjoy.

There is no enjoyment. Only for those who believe chess computers are magic and
do not understand them at all.

To solve this position requires no more than:

king=infinity
queen=9
rook=5
bishop=nite=3
pawn=1

To solve this position relative fast requires no more than extensions on check.
To solve relative faster requires no more than extensions on one-move-only
reply.
It is possible to work out at which depth an unintelligent material only program
will solve it. Please look at Crafty source for these extension types. These
have been for years now.

b6+ this is a check and does not decrement depth
Kxb6
Nd7+ this is check and does not decrement depth
Kc6
Qa6+ this is check and does not decrement depth
KxNd7 this is forced single move reply and does not decrement depth
e6++ this is check and does not decrement depth
Ke8
Qa8++ this is check and does not decrement depth
Qe8 this is forced single move reply and does not decrement depth
g6
Qxa8
g7
anymove - throwing away the queen will horizon two plys
g8=Q++

Eight or nine plies of search is enough. Another two ply for final adjust to
position. Each adjust is with mate threat. Six plies enough if extra extension
on mate in alternate branch and nullmove mate threat detect. The position is
solved with no evaluation function necessary. Computer chess is not magic even
though it may seem like so to some.

Please do not post positions marked as "great" to a computer chess board when
the position is not interesting. Computer chess is no magic. Computer chess is
quite logical.

Please do not add to any test set, secret, magic or otherwise. This magic test
set only will only detect for simple programs with no intelligence. This is not
computer chess.

All is detected by material. Not magic. Not great.

Thank you.




>
>Enrique
>
>[D]1NQ5/k1p1p3/7p/pP2P1P1/2P5/2pq4/1n6/6K1 w - - 0 1
>
>[Event "?"]
>[Site "?"]
>[Date "1965.??.??"]
>[Round "?"]
>[White "Hasek, J."]
>[Black "Study"]
>[Result "1-0"]
>[Annotator ""]
>[SetUp "1"]
>[FEN "1NQ5/k1p1p3/7p/pP2P1P1/2P5/2pq4/1n6/6K1 w - - 0 1"]
>[PlyCount "17"]
>
>1. b6+ (1. Qxc7+ Ka8 $11) (1. Nc6+ Kb6 2. Qb8+ Kc5 3. Qa7+ Kxc4 $19) 1... Kxb6
>2. Nd7+ Kc6 3. Qa6+ Kxd7 4. e6+ Ke8 5. Qa8+ Qd8 6. g6 Qxa8 7. g7 Qf3 8. g8=Q+
>Qf8 9. Qg2 1-0



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