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Subject: Re: Athlon 1,1GHz

Author: Dan Newman

Date: 17:55:29 02/13/00

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On February 13, 2000 at 11:12:18, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On February 13, 2000 at 00:00:30, Lonnie Cook wrote:
>
>>On February 12, 2000 at 19:53:12, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On February 11, 2000 at 23:54:03, Tom Kerrigan wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 11, 2000 at 23:42:08, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I am definitely talking about 0c.  You take the cpu to that temp, it won't last
>>>>>long as you get ice crystals, which play hell with gigahertz frequencies.  That
>>>>>was why the cray was never taken below freezing until the immersion versions and
>>>>>they were not much below 0.
>>>>
>>>>Evidently Kryotech has come up with a solution to this problem, because they are
>>>>cooling the Athlon to -40C and running at 1GHz and AMD supports this.
>>>>
>>>>-Tom
>>>
>>>
>>>I don't believe they are doing this.  They are applying -40c to the cpu, but
>>>the heat it is producing prevents the cpu from getting to -40 during operation,
>>>I'd bet.  I'd bet the real cpu temp is well over 0c, if it has a temp
>>>thermocouple as my xeons. do.  My xeons run at about 106F under heavy load,
>>>for a reference.
>>
>>Bob,
>>How can the real temperature of the CPU be well over 0° when mine is CONTANTLY
>
>>being cooled to 45°. heat is also drwn out through the back through the bottom
>>fan of the tower/refrig area?
>
>
>That is an easy one.  In the cpu, all the heat comes from resistance that turns
>electricity directly into heat.  The superG is simply pulling this heat out a
>lot faster than air cooling would do.  This lets them ramp up the Vcc applied to
>the chip, which lets them increase the clock frequency, since higher voltage
>overcomes resistance/capacitance/inductance better.  And all they are doing is
>providing a pathway for the heat to leave the core of the cpu chip quickly so
>that the processor doesn't "melt" which is what happens to many over-clockers.
>
>I have a pentium pro cpu chip I kept as an illustrator of just how hot these
>chips can get.  It has a permanent finger-print on the top, where a friend of
>mine said "hey how hot does this get?" right before he touched it.  It removed
>a layer of skin.

That happened to me once with Schottky TTL multiplier chip--I'd read it
shouldn't exceed 78 C, and, being more familiar with the Fahrenheit scale,
I put my finger on it to make sure it wasn't too hot...

-Dan.



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