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Subject: Re: Athlon 1,1GHz

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 20:18:28 02/13/00

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On February 13, 2000 at 20:55:29, Dan Newman wrote:

>On February 13, 2000 at 11:12:18, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On February 13, 2000 at 00:00:30, Lonnie Cook wrote:
>>
>>>On February 12, 2000 at 19:53:12, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 11, 2000 at 23:54:03, Tom Kerrigan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On February 11, 2000 at 23:42:08, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I am definitely talking about 0c.  You take the cpu to that temp, it won't last
>>>>>>long as you get ice crystals, which play hell with gigahertz frequencies.  That
>>>>>>was why the cray was never taken below freezing until the immersion versions and
>>>>>>they were not much below 0.
>>>>>
>>>>>Evidently Kryotech has come up with a solution to this problem, because they are
>>>>>cooling the Athlon to -40C and running at 1GHz and AMD supports this.
>>>>>
>>>>>-Tom
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I don't believe they are doing this.  They are applying -40c to the cpu, but
>>>>the heat it is producing prevents the cpu from getting to -40 during operation,
>>>>I'd bet.  I'd bet the real cpu temp is well over 0c, if it has a temp
>>>>thermocouple as my xeons. do.  My xeons run at about 106F under heavy load,
>>>>for a reference.
>>>
>>>Bob,
>>>How can the real temperature of the CPU be well over 0° when mine is CONTANTLY
>>
>>>being cooled to 45°. heat is also drwn out through the back through the bottom
>>>fan of the tower/refrig area?
>>
>>
>>That is an easy one.  In the cpu, all the heat comes from resistance that turns
>>electricity directly into heat.  The superG is simply pulling this heat out a
>>lot faster than air cooling would do.  This lets them ramp up the Vcc applied to
>>the chip, which lets them increase the clock frequency, since higher voltage
>>overcomes resistance/capacitance/inductance better.  And all they are doing is
>>providing a pathway for the heat to leave the core of the cpu chip quickly so
>>that the processor doesn't "melt" which is what happens to many over-clockers.
>>
>>I have a pentium pro cpu chip I kept as an illustrator of just how hot these
>>chips can get.  It has a permanent finger-print on the top, where a friend of
>>mine said "hey how hot does this get?" right before he touched it.  It removed
>>a layer of skin.
>
>That happened to me once with Schottky TTL multiplier chip--I'd read it
>shouldn't exceed 78 C, and, being more familiar with the Fahrenheit scale,
>I put my finger on it to make sure it wasn't too hot...
>
>-Dan.


I had no idea a P6/200, overclocked to 233 (no, it wasn't _my_ machine) would
run so hot.  The guy that touched the thing almost had his eyes pop out.  This
was the machine I sent to Jakarta (I un-overclocked it back to 200 as it was
really unreliable at 233, and the chip had _no_ heat sink. I removed the plain
chip and replaced it with a retail version of a P6/200 with the heatsink/fan
installed.  I couldn't stand the idea of a bare chip, that hot...



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