Author: blass uri
Date: 07:02:40 02/15/00
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On February 15, 2000 at 09:25:02, Côme wrote: >On February 15, 2000 at 08:53:27, blass uri wrote: > >>On February 15, 2000 at 07:16:12, Côme wrote: >> >>>On February 15, 2000 at 06:16:27, blass uri wrote: >>> >>>>On February 15, 2000 at 05:51:31, stuart taylor wrote: >>>> >>>>> I wonder if it will eventually be discovered that chess is not absolute, >>>>>and that a human will therefore always be able to beat a machine by playing >>>>>exactly against the weaker points of that particular machines style-everything >>>>>else being to perfection? >>>>> Maybe chess isn't an exacting art-absolutely? >>>>> Stuart Taylor >>>> >>>>If the machine has no weak points then it is impossible to play exactly against >>>>the weaker points of the machine and there is no reason to assume that it is >>>>impossible to do a machine with no weak points. >>>> >>>>Today there is no machine with no weaks points and there is no machine that can >>>>pass the turing test(every machine can do positional mistakes that I do not >>>>expect humans even with 1800 elo rating to do) but it is practically impossible >>>>for most of the humans to play exactly against the weaker points of the machine >>>>because you cannot go practically to the positions that the machine does not >>>>understand. >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>>Hello Uri, >>>I don't agree with you Uri ! >>>It's not so hard to play against weaks points of machine ! >>>Best Regards >>>Alexandre Côme >> >>Hello Alexandre, >>If it is not so hard then what is the reason that these machines can beat more >>than 99% of the humans with rating above 1600? >> >>There are positions when the machines are stupid and humans knows about them(for >>example programs do not understand fortress positions when one side has a big >>material advantage) but you usually cannot go for these position in >>a practical game. >> >>Uri > >Hello Uri, >Ok you must be stronger than 1600 to play against weaks points of machines. :-) >There are really a lot of positions when the machines are stupid and IMHO >machines will not be never stronger than humans. >Best Regards >Alexandre Côme I am stronger than 1600 and my rating is 2025 but even players with 2300 get less than 50% against the machines. If it was easy to play against the weak points of the machines they could win the machines. I agree that there are a lot of positions when the machines are stupid but I do not agree that machines will never be stronger than humans in these positions. Uri
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