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Subject: Re: Crafty for Psion/Palm ??

Author: Ricardo Gibert

Date: 22:36:13 02/15/00

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On February 16, 2000 at 00:26:19, Christophe Theron wrote:

>On February 15, 2000 at 22:45:28, Tom Kerrigan wrote:
>
>>On February 15, 2000 at 20:42:43, Ricardo Gibert wrote:
>>
>>>MIPS VR4121 is a 64 bit CPU according to NEC. Look at
>>>http://www.nec.com/Semiconductors/categories/679/981008.html
>>
>>You're right... Hmmm... I wonder what the "64 bit" measures. Maybe memory
>>interface? Because it seems pretty silly to have a full-blown 64-bit embedded
>>processor, when your desktop machine is still 32-bit...
>>
>>-Tom
>
>
>Wait a minute. The VR4121 processor claims pin-to-pin compatibility with the
>VR4111. And the VR4111 is a "false 64 bits" processor. Operations can be done on
>64 bits internally, but the data bus size is 16 or 32 bits. That is, there is a
>serious bottleneck between the processor and the memory when it comes to 64 bits
>values.
>
>I'm not even sure that this processor really supports clean 64 bits operations.
>All the docs I have mention 16 and 32 bits long instructions. How do you perform
>a move immediate with a 64 bits value if your instruction length is limited to
>32 bits?

??? Addresses can _referenced_ by less than 64 bits. For example, you can load a
64 bit register with a 16 bit address reference.

>
>And don't count on the 8Kb internal L1 data cache to store all the data needed
>by Crafty...
>
>A bitboard program looks like a poor choice for this architecture.

Why? The VR4111 has a 5 stage pipeline for instance. See the Nalimov post in
this thread.

>
>
>
>    Christophe



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