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Subject: Re: A very hard to find winning move that Junior 6 don't find !!

Author: Côme

Date: 13:22:53 02/16/00

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On February 15, 2000 at 21:23:00, Howard Exner wrote:

>On February 15, 2000 at 16:13:14, Côme wrote:
>
>>On February 15, 2000 at 14:21:27, Howard Exner wrote:
>>
>>>On February 15, 2000 at 13:35:14, Laurence Chen wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 15, 2000 at 13:08:19, Côme wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Hello,
>>>>>In this position:
>>>>>[D]4q1kr/p6p/1prQPppB/4n3/4P3/2P5/PP2B2P/R5K1 w - - 0 1
>>>>>
>>>>>After 10 min on my K6 II 350 Junior 6 don't find the winning move Qxe5!! .
>>>>>I guess that no program is able to find this move but Can you test others
>>>>>programs ?
>>>>>Best Regards
>>>>>Alexandre Côme
>>>>Can you put all the remaining moves?  I find it annoying when people put only
>>>>one move and states that is a winning one without further giving the rest of the
>>>>moves. Humans when doing a post mortem, they don't just say that this move would
>>>>save or win the game without further giving a variation or list of move to prove
>>>>that yes that move is the best one.  I cannot see how after 1. Qxe5 fxe5 would
>>>>White win?
>>>>Laurence
>>>
>>>Although  Alexandre's posts are always for me very interesting he seldom or
>>>never posts the move sequences until asked. It would also be nice if the source
>>>was included as to who played the game.
>>>
>>>The above is an example of black being in a bind and eventually running out of
>>>moves. Two possible quick lines are:
>>>
>>>A. 1. Qxe5 fxe5 2. Rf1 Qe7 3. Bd1 Rc7 4. Bb3 Rc8 5. Rf7 Re8 6. Bd5 b5 7. b4
>>>a6 8. Kg2 a5 9. bxa5 b4
>>>
>>>B. 1. Qxe5 fxe5 2. Rf1 Rc7 3. Bd1 Re7 4. Bb3 a5 5. a4 Qc8 6. Bd5 Qb8 7. b4
>>>axb4 8. cxb4 Qd8 9. a5 bxa5 10. bxa5 Qb8 11. a6 g5 12. Kg2
>>>
>>>The moves above will show the general theme but there is no doubt an accurate
>>>sequence of best moves that Alexandre will eventually post.
>>>
>>>The most curious thing about this particular post is the heading
>>>" ... that Junior 6 don't find!!" Why single out Junior6 with double exclamation
>>>marks? Anyone familiar with how computers play will know that they
>>>won't spot these long range themes.
>>
>>
>>Hello Howard,
>>
>>Ok, you are right and from now I will post who as played the game, for this
>>diagram it's Gusev against Auerbakh.
>>I never post the move sequences because IMHO it's more interesting if the reader
>>search by himself ! no ?
>
>I like searching on my own. Your posted positions are usually more deep than the
>average posting and so I trust that your positions are correct even if the
>winning first move is not that obvious. If you were to post one with the
>solution and one without the solution I would probably read the one without
>first. Plus I kinow that you provide the solution when asked. So keep these
>tough problems coming our way.
>
>>I have wrote "... that Junior 6 don't find" because I think that more people
>>will open the post if he read that the number one of the SSDF don't find the
>>winning move.
>
>OK I understand. But most of us here who like these kinds of posts know that
>your reputation for interesting positions is proven. So for me I would read them
>even without the more interesting header.
>
>>But of course I know that machine are not able to solve Qxe5!! .
>>Best Regards
>>Alexandre Côme
>
>Do you save all of these tough positions ? If so, maybe you could post them all
>here in one posting. Those that missed your previos posts could have the
>complete collection then.

Hello Howard,
Thank you !
Sorry but I have not save positions :-(
Best Regards
Alexandre Côme



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