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Subject: Re: After this tournament Deep Junior level is without question at GM

Author: Michael Neish

Date: 20:54:30 02/16/00

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On February 16, 2000 at 23:26:59, odell hall wrote:

>  Ok I don't know exactly how Larry kaufman calculated the 65 pts difference
>going from 30 0 to 40\2, , but I see no reason to doubt him, his reputation is
>impecabble, and he is both a programmer and a very strong chess player. What it
>boils down to is no one can really say for sure how much of a difference it is
>going from 60 0  to 40/2 but I know one thing for sure it is not the 300 pts
>that Robert Hyatt is projecting, common sense shows me that much. I think 65-100
>pts is more reasonable, this is ofcourse a guess, but my guess is as good as
>anyoneelse's .

I didn't mean to imply that Kaufman would somehow manufacture his results.  I'm
sure he made an honest attempt.

I'd also like to know whether the 65-point difference is for humans v humans or
humans v computers, as both of these would be very different I expect.

It's going to be hard to define the precise moment when computers can be said to
be stronger than humans at 40/2, or even 60/0 for that matter.  I suppose a
computer might win a 60/0 tournament and then lose another, win another, lose
two, etc.  It's going to be a gradual process, so no one will be able to stand
up and say "computers are now stronger" and expect full agreement from everyone,
until the day comes when computers win all the time.  This day will come, but
right now it's a grey area.

Cheers,

Mike.





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