Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 10:45:32 02/17/00
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On February 17, 2000 at 12:09:38, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>On February 17, 2000 at 11:53:19, Andrew Dados wrote:
>
>>On February 17, 2000 at 11:42:47, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>
>>>On February 17, 2000 at 11:33:33, Andrew Dados wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 17, 2000 at 11:24:51, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On February 17, 2000 at 11:21:15, Andrew Dados wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In case of OTB tourney a player himself is responsible for showing up on time.
>>>>>>Now, for internet-based tourneys, that may mean he can be forfeited if his ISP
>>>>>>is down. However, since tourney organizers put effort into installing arbiter
>>>>>>with each player during the game ('serious event'), that arbiter can see that
>>>>>>player has shown on time and is ready for the game. In that case organizer
>>>>>>should be held responsible for any alternate connection in case ISP is down
>>>>>>(simply phone connetion would do here) or for rescheduling. Forfeit *should not*
>>>>>>be granted if player is phisically on time and in the place where he's supposed
>>>>>>to be and it's verifiable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-Andrew-
>>>>>
>>>>>At the world champs who was responsible in my case?
>>>>>
>>>>>The problem the first game was at an ISP somewhere in germany, NOT in paderborn,
>>>>>and it was NOT my ISP.
>>>>>
>>>>>The problem the first game was elsewhere in paderborn, some dude had turned
>>>>>OFF the computer in the weekend, and that computer was always inside my route
>>>>>to the crafty machine.
>>>>>
>>>>>In both cases the organization nor me could be blamed.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yet i had to play a game... ...what do i do?
>>>>>
>>>>>It's a technical sport, just like motor and car racing. If your machine
>>>>>is broke for whatever reason, then it's your fault simply. You can complain
>>>>>loud on fora like these, but it doesn't change that you have a problem
>>>>>during that game to find another machine.
>>>>
>>>>No... During WCCC you used a remote comp, so it was your sole responsibility for
>>>>connection. You had an option provided by organizers to use their equipment (not
>>>>a thrill, I know...). Here organizers took effort to place an arbiter 'on site',
>>>>so organizers have to take every effort to make sure there is an alternate
>>>>connection, since *both players were present and ready* for play at places they
>>>>were supposed to be (you were 'not ready' to play on WCCC as I see it due to
>>>>your choice).
>>>
>>>Well the issue remains the same. Remote computer or remote connection,
>>>there is no difference!
>>>
>>>Suppose i play in a tournament and first a car hits me, then a second car
>>>hits me. Still i try to get to the tournament hall, with an arm and a
>>>leg less. Then a third car simply crushes me. I get to hospital.
>>>
>>>Accident happens outside the tournament hall, but as i have a mobile phone
>>>i can call and say that i'm delayed a bit.
>>>
>>>What happens?
>>>
>>>Well i can tell you what happens, because as one of the biggest clubs in
>>>Netherlands we are confronted each year with a few of these cases.
>>>
>>>You forfeit.
>>>
>>>Vincent
>>
>> Hey! You didn't make it to the place.. you're in hospital instead of tournament
>>hall so no wonder you forfeit. They have both made it. Since game takes place in
>>2 phisically separate 'tournament halls' here (2 arbiters), and players are able
>>to make moves, and, I repeat, *they both in places where they were supposed to
>>be according to tournament rules* then it's none of their fault.
>>
>> Now, imagine that organizers don't like you and use some trick to prevent you
>>from connecting to their site... how can you prove/disprove such an option if
>>you're not internet expert? That's why organizers should be held responsible for
>>connection - to make such claims nonexistent in the future 'serious events'.
>
>Signing a better contract than chessbase did and simply phoning DIRECTLY
>to the states instead of using a silly provider.
>
>If games are important enough, hey, phoning to USA is 19 cents a minute
>(less than 9 dollar cent a minute
>here. That's expensive, but a peanut compared to the junior entry fee,
>which i estimate at 10000 dollar?
>
>The 35 minutes time needed by Amir to connect again i don't understand.
>Just picking up the phone is quick enough.
>
>9 dollar cents a minute x 2 hours = 120 x 9 = under 10 dollars.
>Peanut compared to an entry fee of 10k$ ?
>
>>-Andrew-
>>Andrew
What about the 100 minutes they were waiting on _Adams_ to connect from Bermuda?
He delayed the start for 1:40 himself. Is that OK?
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