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Subject: Re: Tough Tactic for Computers?

Author: blass uri

Date: 14:52:37 02/17/00

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On February 17, 2000 at 17:38:42, Dave Gomboc wrote:

>On February 17, 2000 at 17:17:08, blass uri wrote:
>
>>On February 17, 2000 at 15:01:57, Dave Gomboc wrote:
>>
>>>On February 17, 2000 at 12:39:36, Jeremiah Penery wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 16, 2000 at 19:31:12, Dave Gomboc wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On February 16, 2000 at 16:37:30, Jesus de la Villa wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>After several hours neather(sp?)my software say something interesting, nor I. :(
>>>>>>Would you supply your main line, please.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't have one!  NCO ends with an eval of +-, that's it!
>>>>>
>>>>>Here's Crafty 17.6's latest:
>>>>>
>>>>>depth=16 1/36 +0.00 14. Nxg5 Rxf1+ 15. Qxf1 h6 16. Bc4+ Kh8 17. Nf7+ Kh7 18.
>>>>>Qd3+ g6 19. Qe3 Qf8 20. Rf1 Qg7 21. e6 Nc6 22. Ng5+ Kh8 23. Nf7+ Kh7
>>>>>Nodes: 2669305457 NPS: 70807
>>>>>Time: 10:28:18.30
>>>>>
>>>>>I am going to stop it thinking now; I have to get some real work done with my
>>>>>computer again. :-)  If someone else has some decent hardware and another
>>>>>program, I'm interested to see how it does.
>>>>
>>>>On ply 15 with my modified Crafty, I was getting a fail-high with score >.02
>>>>Since it was taking hours (it was running on 8 hours just to resolve the
>>>>fail-high), I was forced to stop it, so I could play Planescape. :)  I did
>>>>follow the line for a few moves, and the score kept going up as I went further
>>>>along.  I think it's just a case of computer mis-evaluation - white is slightly
>>>>down on material (at first), but black's pieces in the corner are useless to
>>>>him.  The computer doesn't realize this.  Not to mention that all white's >pieces are aiming at the nearly-naked black king.
>>>
>>>Crafty's variation wasn't bad at all.  In the main line above, 21. Nxh6 wins the
>>>house, and Black's only real alternative is 20...Bf5, which still loses.  But I
>>>was disappointed that it wasn't seeing that it was winning: the point of the
>>>variation is that White can castle (to reach the diagram position where I forced
>>>Black to play ...fxg5.)  If a program can't see that the piece is untakeable,
>>>the program can't see that White can castle safely.
>>>
>>>Dave
>>
>>chessmaster6000(ss=10) can see in a less than 3 minutes that white is better
>>(+0.03)
>>The main line also begins with Ng5 Rxf1+
>>The evaluation in the next iteration is +0.64
>>
>>Uri
>
>+0.03 looks like a draw score artifact (i.e. draw score, but slightly adjusted,
>maybe to favor long draws over short draws).  The +0.64 might be enough to allow
>CM to castle into the position.
>
>Dave

The evaluation now at depth 2/12 is +1.33 time 38:24
hardware PIII450

main line begin with 1.Ng5 g6 2.Qb3+ Kh8 3.Rxf8 Qxf8 4.Rf1 Qe7 5.h4 Bf5

Uri



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