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Subject: Re: After this tournament Deep Junior level is without question at GM

Author: Lanny DiBartolomeo

Date: 21:12:10 02/17/00

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On February 16, 2000 at 23:24:07, Manuel Rodriguez Blanco wrote:

>On February 16, 2000 at 22:52:50, odell hall wrote:
>
>>On February 16, 2000 at 22:09:36, Tina Long wrote:
>>
>>>On February 16, 2000 at 22:00:11, odell hall wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>     I still think that your overplaying the importance of time! Sure I will
>>>>agree that there is a huge difference between 5 0 chess or even 30 0 chess,
>>>>compared with 40\2.  But I don't think the difference is so great between 60 0
>>>>and 40/2.  One hour is more than enough time for a Grandmaster to apply his so
>>>>called- Superior Chess knowledge, Many grandmasters calculate with incredible
>>>>speed and are much less likely to be beat on a tactical shot. If you notice the
>>>>three games that deep junior has played, he has won none of the games on
>>>>Cheapo's or due to petty oversights by the GM's. A few Grandmasters even
>>>>commented on Deep Junior Positional play. I find it hard to see how you can
>>>>suggest that the grandmasters will rise in strength by 300 rating points going
>>>>from 60 0 to 40/2.  We are all chess players here, and I think most of us
>>>>realize that there is not much difference between 60 0 and 40/2, although I do
>>>>concede that there is a difference but I would say maybe a 50 point rating
>>>>increase is more reasonable, rather than the 300+ points that you suggest. BTW I
>>>>would appreciate an intelligent response devoid of insults or sarcastic remarks.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Absolute rubbish!,
>>>
>>>In 40/120, an IM or a GM will sit for 10 or 20 minutes on a single move at the
>>>vital point of the game.  There are regularly moves that take 5-10 minutes.
>>>
>>>These are the very important moves, the moves that make it a 40/120 Tournament
>>>game by an IM or GM.  The IM or GM cannot afford that sort of time consumption
>>>in Game in 60.
>>>
>>>While what you say is correct for most moves of a game, it is completely wrong
>>>for the most important moves.
>>>
>>>Tina Long
>>
>>
>>  Unfortunately you did not address the most important point of my post which is
>>the Question: How much of a rating increase do humans Gain going from 60 0 to
>>40/2?  According to Larry kaufman human are 65 points stronger going from 30\0
>>to 40/2, I expect 60 0 to 40/2 the increase would be even less.
>
>Mmmmm, let me say with your own words: "These type of dogmatic statements are
>taken for granted as fact because some self-proclaimed know it all has said so,
>without any proof. Please show me the proof!!"
>I mean can you give the L.Kaufman proof????????
>
>  The fact that
>>some grandmasters often spend 20 minutes on a given move doesn't neccessarily
>>prove that the move will be stronger,
>
>yes your are right BUT prove that the move will be weaker??? also the point is
>that in some move the the human need 15, 20 or more minutes and when the GM play
>60/g then normally they dont have enough time for deciding the move and that
>traduce in much less performance for the GM.
>
>
> often grandmasters spend a hour on a move
>>to produce a blunder!!
>
>But generally play good move
>
> I have seen this often. Length does not always mean
>>Quality.  Annand for instance has been known to spend less than 60 minutes for
>>an entire 40/2 game.
>
>Especific Case are not good for General discucion, dont you think?
>
> Since you believe what I say is "Rubbish" Why don't you
>>please prove it and supply some concrete evidence which shows a 300pt increase
>>going from 60 0 to 40/2??
>
>BETTER, why dont you please prove it and supply some concrete evidence with
>shows a 60pt or less increase going from 60 0 to 40/2???????????
>
>
>These type of dogmatic statements are taken for
>>granted as fact because some self-proclaimed know it all has said so, without
>>any proof. Please show me the proof!!
>
>
>Hope you dont take me bad,
>
>MRB.-
I agree with Odell I do not believe that GMs increase 300 pts from game60 to
40n120 and that is the whole point in this discussion



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