Author: Lanny DiBartolomeo
Date: 21:12:10 02/17/00
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On February 16, 2000 at 23:24:07, Manuel Rodriguez Blanco wrote: >On February 16, 2000 at 22:52:50, odell hall wrote: > >>On February 16, 2000 at 22:09:36, Tina Long wrote: >> >>>On February 16, 2000 at 22:00:11, odell hall wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I still think that your overplaying the importance of time! Sure I will >>>>agree that there is a huge difference between 5 0 chess or even 30 0 chess, >>>>compared with 40\2. But I don't think the difference is so great between 60 0 >>>>and 40/2. One hour is more than enough time for a Grandmaster to apply his so >>>>called- Superior Chess knowledge, Many grandmasters calculate with incredible >>>>speed and are much less likely to be beat on a tactical shot. If you notice the >>>>three games that deep junior has played, he has won none of the games on >>>>Cheapo's or due to petty oversights by the GM's. A few Grandmasters even >>>>commented on Deep Junior Positional play. I find it hard to see how you can >>>>suggest that the grandmasters will rise in strength by 300 rating points going >>>>from 60 0 to 40/2. We are all chess players here, and I think most of us >>>>realize that there is not much difference between 60 0 and 40/2, although I do >>>>concede that there is a difference but I would say maybe a 50 point rating >>>>increase is more reasonable, rather than the 300+ points that you suggest. BTW I >>>>would appreciate an intelligent response devoid of insults or sarcastic remarks. >>>> >>>>Thanks >>>> >>>> >>>Absolute rubbish!, >>> >>>In 40/120, an IM or a GM will sit for 10 or 20 minutes on a single move at the >>>vital point of the game. There are regularly moves that take 5-10 minutes. >>> >>>These are the very important moves, the moves that make it a 40/120 Tournament >>>game by an IM or GM. The IM or GM cannot afford that sort of time consumption >>>in Game in 60. >>> >>>While what you say is correct for most moves of a game, it is completely wrong >>>for the most important moves. >>> >>>Tina Long >> >> >> Unfortunately you did not address the most important point of my post which is >>the Question: How much of a rating increase do humans Gain going from 60 0 to >>40/2? According to Larry kaufman human are 65 points stronger going from 30\0 >>to 40/2, I expect 60 0 to 40/2 the increase would be even less. > >Mmmmm, let me say with your own words: "These type of dogmatic statements are >taken for granted as fact because some self-proclaimed know it all has said so, >without any proof. Please show me the proof!!" >I mean can you give the L.Kaufman proof???????? > > The fact that >>some grandmasters often spend 20 minutes on a given move doesn't neccessarily >>prove that the move will be stronger, > >yes your are right BUT prove that the move will be weaker??? also the point is >that in some move the the human need 15, 20 or more minutes and when the GM play >60/g then normally they dont have enough time for deciding the move and that >traduce in much less performance for the GM. > > > often grandmasters spend a hour on a move >>to produce a blunder!! > >But generally play good move > > I have seen this often. Length does not always mean >>Quality. Annand for instance has been known to spend less than 60 minutes for >>an entire 40/2 game. > >Especific Case are not good for General discucion, dont you think? > > Since you believe what I say is "Rubbish" Why don't you >>please prove it and supply some concrete evidence which shows a 300pt increase >>going from 60 0 to 40/2?? > >BETTER, why dont you please prove it and supply some concrete evidence with >shows a 60pt or less increase going from 60 0 to 40/2??????????? > > >These type of dogmatic statements are taken for >>granted as fact because some self-proclaimed know it all has said so, without >>any proof. Please show me the proof!! > > >Hope you dont take me bad, > >MRB.- I agree with Odell I do not believe that GMs increase 300 pts from game60 to 40n120 and that is the whole point in this discussion
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